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Snake oil

PowerMax™ Plus mains cable
The benefit of all this care taken in the manufacture? We believe that the cable represents astonishing value as it helps your system to get the power it needs exactly when it needs it. Expect deeper, more realistic bass, clearer instruments and voices and a smoother sound. We've even seen Home Cinemas benefiting, with pictures appearing sharper and crisper.
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From £46.75

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Re: Snake oil

I miss jj at times like this.

Shit happens. The older you get, the more often shit happens. So you have to try not to give a shit even when you do. Because, if you give too many shits, you've created your own shit creek and there's no way out other than swimming through the shit. Oh, and fuck.

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Fools and their money
A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool.
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Seconded Anax.
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Back in the days when I was running a live music bar, forgetful musicians would often ask to borrow my kettle lead to power their enormously loud amplifiers.

I'd keep a couple in reserve for really forgetful musicians.

They worked just as well as the expensive gear as far as anyone could tell.

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Thank you, AC, for the "kettle plug" explanation/expression, which I will hoard next to "spurtle". Googling around on the oily snake subject I wondered what that was. I presume it is more British than U$? (Tea & boiling water, &c.) That kind of technoid woo could be interpreted as: – a voluntary tax on stupidity; – collected, XVIIIth century style, by private persons (here the seller of the Miracle Kettle Plug[TM]). asthmatic camel Posts: 18375 Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2004 1:53 pm Title: Forum commie nun. Location: Stirring the porridge with my spurtle. Re: Snake oil Yeah, they're commonly known as kettle plugs in Britain as that's where most people are accustomed to seeing them. Exactly the same thing powers my PC, monitor, printer, steam cleaner and HiFi amplifier. They all handle the same amount of power but don't have fancy blue cables at an extra cost of £45. As Anax says, fools and their money... Shit happens. The older you get, the more often shit happens. So you have to try not to give a shit even when you do. Because, if you give too many shits, you've created your own shit creek and there's no way out other than swimming through the shit. Oh, and fuck. Anaxagoras Posts: 23282 Joined: Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:45 am Location: Yokohama/Tokyo, Japan Re: Snake oil Other than the subjective claims they make about the sound quality allegedly being improved, I don't see what's so special about the cables. They aren't made of or even plated with a precious metal like gold, silver or platinum: Its high performance in Hi-Fi and Home Cinema systems is thanks to its large gauge conductors which Kimber Kable have optimised for mains voltages, and the unique UK mains plug and IEC connector we've developed specifically for the cable that feature fully nickel-plated contacts. We've really gone to town with the plugs; we've worked with a plug manufacturer to nickel plate all the pins in the mains plug and all parts of the IEC plug terminals as part of manufacturing process. And to top off the high quality cable and plugs, we've perfected a technique of mechanically locking the cable to the plugs "Fully nickel-plated contacts"? Is there anything unusual about that? Nickel is a fairly cheap industrial metal isn't it? "mechanically locking the cable to the plugs"? Again, that should be true for all power cables, even the cheap ones. These seem to be features that are actually commonplace and usually not even worth mentioning as a sales point. A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool. William Shakespeare Rob Lister Posts: 20290 Joined: Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:15 pm Title: Incipient toppler Location: Swimming in Lake Ed Re: Snake oil In the late 70's, we used to refer to those as HP Standards because all of our HP test equipment used those plugs exclusively. We'd have racks with spare dozens hanging. Other manufacturers used a mishmash of different plugs and that was burdensome. Nickel plated contacts? Pretty much the standard, I thought. But for sound equipment? Inferior! It would cause a harmonic imbalance resulting in 'tinny' basses and flimsy mids. Rhodium is the plating of choice. asthmatic camel Posts: 18375 Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2004 1:53 pm Title: Forum commie nun. Location: Stirring the porridge with my spurtle. Re: Snake oil You're full of shit, Lister. Shit happens. The older you get, the more often shit happens. So you have to try not to give a shit even when you do. Because, if you give too many shits, you've created your own shit creek and there's no way out other than swimming through the shit. Oh, and fuck. Rob Lister Posts: 20290 Joined: Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:15 pm Title: Incipient toppler Location: Swimming in Lake Ed Re: Snake oil asthmatic camel wrote:You're full of shit, Lister. Ya think? Abdul Alhazred Posts: 73385 Joined: Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:33 pm Title: Yes, that one. Location: Chicago Re: Snake oil What makes the music sound better? No not rhodium plating ... Any man writes a mission statement spends a night in the box. -- our mission statement plappendale Tiosylanyl Posts: 5007 Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:31 am Title: The Three-eyed Raven Location: Beyond the Wall Re: Snake oil This shit has gone on with HDTVs for a while, particularly with the Monster cable brand. Rob Lister Posts: 20290 Joined: Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:15 pm Title: Incipient toppler Location: Swimming in Lake Ed Re: Snake oil Tiosylanyl wrote:This shit has gone on with HDTVs for a while, particularly with the Monster cable brand. I forgot the brand but I got a set of two 10-foot hdmi cables from k-mart for$15. I still felt used.

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Rob Lister wrote:
Tiosylanyl wrote:This shit has gone on with HDTVs for a while, particularly with the Monster cable brand.
I forgot the brand but I got a set of two 10-foot hdmi cables from k-mart for $15. I still felt used. Monoprice has the best HDMI cables for your money as far as I'm concerned. silverdrake Posts: 1611 Joined: Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:00 am Title: Girlie Girl Location: Right here Re: Snake oil My Monster cables are gold-plated. Rob Lister Posts: 20290 Joined: Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:15 pm Title: Incipient toppler Location: Swimming in Lake Ed Re: Snake oil silverdrake wrote:My Monster cables are gold-plated. I have a set of gold plated carbide tipped jewelers screwdrivers in a mahogany case. My 'boyz in shop' gave them to me when I retired. Witness Posts: 18847 Joined: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:50 pm Re: Snake oil silverdrake wrote:My Monster cables are gold-plated. We already surmised you are a luxury creature… That being said, nickel isen't particularly good at conducting electricity – but certainly cheaper than gold, even in micron thickness. And _that_ being said, the HiFi folks are sometimes a bit strange about their hobby/interest/obsession. Many years ago I knew some of them (that's why the expensive kettle plug drew my attention, reminiscence of technoid slang). One was a very competent sales & repair man of sound exotica, so he had to know the techspeak – and that's why I'm very nicely equipped with unimpressive-looking gear which has served me literally forever. Another had the intelligence to stop the craving for ever-"better" gear when… he seemed to notice a difference in sound quality when he changed the orientation of the plug in the wall socket. (That was before everything was grounded; I hope I don't misuse the technical terms, please correct me if it's the case.) So, placebo effect, expensive blue cable and the sound gets better… silverdrake Posts: 1611 Joined: Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:00 am Title: Girlie Girl Location: Right here Re: Snake oil Witness wrote: silverdrake wrote:My Monster cables are gold-plated. We already surmised you are a luxury creature… That being said, nickel isen't particularly good at conducting electricity – but certainly cheaper than gold, even in micron thickness. And _that_ being said, the HiFi folks are sometimes a bit strange about their hobby/interest/obsession. Many years ago I knew some of them (that's why the expensive kettle plug drew my attention, reminiscence of technoid slang). One was a very competent sales & repair man of sound exotica, so he had to know the techspeak – and that's why I'm very nicely equipped with unimpressive-looking gear which has served me literally forever. Another had the intelligence to stop the craving for ever-"better" gear when… he seemed to notice a difference in sound quality when he changed the orientation of the plug in the wall socket. (That was before everything was grounded; I hope I don't misuse the technical terms, please correct me if it's the case.) So, placebo effect, expensive blue cable and the sound gets better… What can I say, us gals like our sparkly gold things. DrMatt BANNED Posts: 29811 Joined: Fri Jul 16, 2004 4:00 pm Location: Location: Location! Re: Snake oil I notice an improvement in sound quality when we turn off the @#$@ Dance Fever radio station and pop in one of my Mahler symphony CDs.

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