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Note that this is purely hypothetical. I will not be taking any of the following opinion into account personally.
...yet. :wink:
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First, a note: here's what I see when I read your posts.
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Germ warfare is probably the most efficient of wiping out the vast majority. And we [probably] have the science and technical ability to pull that off. You'll need to do some mopping up though. Even then, you wouldn't get them all. You'd have to get the number down below what can reasonably be expected to repopulate. I have no idea what that number is.
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Rob Lister wrote:First, a note: here's what I see when I read your posts.
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Germ warfare is probably the most efficient of wiping out the vast majority. And we [probably] have the science and technical ability to pull that off. You'll need to do some mopping up though. Even then, you wouldn't get them all. You'd have to get the number down below what can reasonably be expected to repopulate. I have no idea what that number is.
Minimum viable population (MVP) is a lower bound on the population of a species, such that it can survive without some intervention. Below the MVP, the population endures a risk of genetic corruption and extinction due to a lack of genetic diversity.

This link (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1 ... yBndfl_u6M) suggests the minimum viable population for humans is 160 individuals. It is evident that humans are biologically rather persistent bastards as the MVP for other species is typically given a much higher value.
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I don't think you're going to get it down below 160 without destroying the biosphere. Nuclear is still an option. Even though it kills more than just humans, many lower order lifeforms would survive. The biosphere would eventually recover and evolve again.

Let's go with that. When do we start?
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Make ebola airborne.

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Do you care about what happens to other animals? Are you just trying to kill all humans but leave the dogs and horses and cows alone?

If so, robots. Lots of robots.
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Bearguin wrote:Do you care about what happens to other animals? Are you just trying to kill all humans but leave the dogs and horses and cows alone?

If so, robots. Lots of robots.
Well, without humans, most of the dogs and horses and cows are going to be goners too. Cows for sure. Sadly, cats will probably do better than dogs.

Congratulatory Nod to DrX and the Ebola idea.
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Rob Lister wrote:
Bearguin wrote:Do you care about what happens to other animals? Are you just trying to kill all humans but leave the dogs and horses and cows alone?

If so, robots. Lots of robots.
Well, without humans, most of the dogs and horses and cows are going to be goners too. Cows for sure. Sadly, cats will probably do better than dogs.

Congratulatory Nod to DrX and the Ebola idea.
I think they would adapt and survive as species just fine. Maybe not the little dogs I own, but in general dogs would make it. Cows too as long as there are enough bulls around.

Ebola would not kill everyone. While I doubt the 160 mentioned above, I'm sure 1000 left behind would be sufficient to repopulate.

Only robots would be able to do the job right.
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Doctor X wrote:Make ebola airborne.

--J.D.
Marburg reston already was. Just dumb luck the reston strain only killed monkeys.

Weaponized anthrax is my choice.
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hammegk wrote:
Doctor X wrote:Make ebola airborne.

--J.D.
Marburg reston already was. Just dumb luck the reston strain only killed monkeys.

Weaponized anthrax is my choice.
Poor choice. Kills mammals generally.
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Anthrax is rather unspecific species-wise. Anthrax has the capability of affecting sheep and cattle. (http://brainimmune.com/disease-environm ... teur-1878/) It is an interspecies strain.
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Bearguin wrote:Do you care about what happens to other animals? Are you just trying to kill all humans but leave the dogs and horses and cows alone?

If so, robots. Lots of robots.
This may be slightly unrelated to the OP, but:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... obots.html
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Create easy to grow and tasty varieties of all the staple food, that induce 100% sterility in the next generation who eat the foods.

By the time anyone realizes their kids are sterile, everybody will be sterile. End of mankind.

Drop seeds on isolated areas and islands to make sure everyone dies.

Those who don't eat the foods (because of religious reasons) you use dust from nuclear core material, spread it by air.

repeat as needed.
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-FX- wrote:Create easy to grow and tasty varieties of all the staple food, that induce 100% sterility in the next generation who eat the foods.

By the time anyone realizes their kids are sterile, everybody will be sterile. End of mankind.
Ingenious.

I knew the anti-GM folks were on to something.
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Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Miles wrote:
Bearguin wrote:Do you care about what happens to other animals? Are you just trying to kill all humans but leave the dogs and horses and cows alone?

If so, robots. Lots of robots.
This may be slightly unrelated to the OP, but:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... obots.html
I'm going to make that a new thread.
And here I was going to link to your thread as proof I'm right.

Will anyway.

See. Even the US military agrees with me.

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Rob Lister wrote:
-FX- wrote:Create easy to grow and tasty varieties of all the staple food, that induce 100% sterility in the next generation who eat the foods.

By the time anyone realizes their kids are sterile, everybody will be sterile. End of mankind.
Ingenious.

I knew the anti-GM folks were on to something.
The trouble with this, or Ebola, or other non-mechanical means, is that some small percentage of the population will be immune. Nothing special, just random immunity. And they would both survive and there would be enough of them to repopulate.

Why don't you just all accept I am right and it's robots.
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Bearguin wrote:Why don't you just all accept I am right and it's robots.
I'm not hating the idea.
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Apparently some do not know the differences between the Ebola strains.

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Infectious, self replicating nanobots. Including a learning algorithm.

Be sure you infect Madagascar first, or you will fail.


Other than that, a fungus that is right at home inside the human body.
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I'm siding with airborn Ebola vectors followed up by salting crop fields with nuclear waste and then finally nanobots to mop up the straggler renegades.

We need to nail this down folks. Bruce has to bone up on bio-chem processes and I have glassware to source.
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The cheapest way of wiping out humanity is to just wait.
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You want it cheap or you want it fast?
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Rob Lister wrote:I'm siding with airborn Ebola vectors followed up by salting crop fields with nuclear waste and then finally nanobots to mop up the straggler renegades.

We need to nail this down folks. Bruce has to bone up on bio-chem processes and I have glassware to source.
So, no to leaving animals alive then?
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Rob Lister wrote:
hammegk wrote:
Doctor X wrote:Make ebola airborne.

--J.D.
Marburg reston already was. Just dumb luck the reston strain only killed monkeys.

Weaponized anthrax is my choice.
Poor choice. Kills mammals generally.
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Engineer an airborne virus that doesn't kill or even incapacitate it's host, but merely renders the host sterile. This would enable it to be easily spread (since every host survives long enough to infect many others) and would kill off humans in a generation. No proprty damage and properly engineered it would be unlikely to jump species and kill off any animals.
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Nyarlathotep wrote:Engineer an airborne virus that doesn't kill or even incapacitate it's host, but merely renders the host sterile. This would enable it to be easily spread (since every host survives long enough to infect many others) and would kill off humans in a generation. No proprty damage and properly engineered it would be unlikely to jump species and kill off any animals.
OMG! You're plagiarizing FX.

Or perhaps he is dead and you're channeling him!
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Rob Lister wrote:
Nyarlathotep wrote:Engineer an airborne virus that doesn't kill or even incapacitate it's host, but merely renders the host sterile. This would enable it to be easily spread (since every host survives long enough to infect many others) and would kill off humans in a generation. No proprty damage and properly engineered it would be unlikely to jump species and kill off any animals.
OMG! You're plagiarizing FX.

Or perhaps he is dead and you're channeling him!
Actually, I only skimmed the replies before me and missed his. I think my variation would be more effective, since it would require no voluntary action on anyone's part and would likely do its damage before anyone noticed. If I was plagaraizing anyone, I was plagiarizing a theory I heard for the sterility in the movie Children of Men

I was going to plagiarize Frank Herbert's The White Plague and mention a fatal virus designed to affect only one gender but capable of being carried by both. But I realized that would have the same limitations as nearly any other fatall viral outbreak in being containable and, in fact, self containing if it kills the host quickly enough.
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Nyarlathotep wrote: I was going to plagiarize Frank Herbert's The White Plague and mention a fatal virus designed to affect only one gender but capable of being carried by both. But I realized that would have the same limitations as nearly any other fatall viral outbreak in being containable and, in fact, self containing if it kills the host quickly enough.
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Rob Lister wrote:I'm siding with airborn Ebola vectors followed up by salting crop fields with nuclear waste and then finally nanobots to mop up the straggler renegades.

We need to nail this down folks. Bruce has to bone up on bio-chem processes and I have glassware to source.
Just a team status update and pep talk.

We had some missteps getting that ebola vector airborne but everyone stuck with it and pushed through those roadblocks. Kudos especially to Bruce's group. Our West African test bed is yielding some excellent experimental data and as soon as we firm up the delivery methods [Anax, where is your team with this?], we'll be ready for world-wide deployment.

Oh, and I wanted to personally recognize Naryl's contribution: your idea of setting up street venders to sell tainted bleach to the stricken test communities as a means of partially funding this endeavor was ingenious. You can expect a little something extra in your next check.

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One more thing: I don't want to end this talk on a down note but for those of you that are trying to expense the use of prostitutes and justifying it as vector analysis, I'm denying those line items. I'm not pointing anyone out specifically, Witness, but let's keep those expense reports legit.
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Doctor X wrote:Make ebola airborne.

--J.D.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... a/7214213/

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Rob Lister wrote:I'm siding with airborn Ebola vectors followed up by salting crop fields with nuclear waste and then finally nanobots to mop up the straggler renegades.

We need to nail this down folks. Bruce has to bone up on bio-chem processes and I have glassware to source.
Just a team status update and pep talk.

We had some missteps getting that ebola vector airborne but everyone stuck with it and pushed through those roadblocks. Kudos especially to Bruce's group. Our West African test bed is yielding some excellent experimental data and as soon as we firm up the delivery methods [Anax, where is your team with this?], we'll be ready for world-wide deployment.

Oh, and I wanted to personally recognize Naryl's contribution: your idea of setting up street venders to sell tainted bleach to the stricken test communities as a means of partially funding this endeavor was ingenious. You can expect a little something extra in your next check.

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One more thing: I don't want to end this talk on a down note but for those of you that are trying to expense the use of prostitutes and justifying it as vector analysis, I'm denying those line items. I'm not pointing anyone out specifically, Witness, but let's keep those expense reports legit.
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if this report is true "Authorities suspect it was transmitted to humans in Guinea through contaminated bat meat" we need to rethink the vector introduction strategy (VIS). Seems to me that we need to get some euro trash chef to popularize bat meat on a tv show.
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Rob Lister wrote:One more thing: I don't want to end this talk on a down note but for those of you that are trying to expense the use of prostitutes and justifying it as vector analysis, I'm denying those line items. I'm not pointing anyone out specifically, Witness, but let's keep those expense reports legit.
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Nyarlathotep wrote:Engineer an airborne virus that doesn't kill or even incapacitate it's host, but merely renders the host sterile. This would enable it to be easily spread (since every host survives long enough to infect many others) and would kill off humans in a generation. No proprty damage and properly engineered it would be unlikely to jump species and kill off any animals.
Should be possible if said virus possesses inhibitor proteins on the coat which bind to the progesterone receptors (a viral contraceptive, in short.) It's more plausible than ''chemtrails.'' :P
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Then it would kill you as well.

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Doctor X wrote:Then it would kill you as well.

--J.D.

In which case, Flounder shall be my first test subject.

(Yes, everyone would be sterile, but it should be fairly species-specific -- reproductive systems are quite varied among different animals, hence it should not pose a danger to other species or threaten the environment like a nuclear warhead would.)
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Okay guys.

Looks like the proof of concept has run its course.
UNITED NATIONS – Health ministers from 11 West African countries began a two-day Emergency Ministerial meeting in Accra, Ghana, Wednesday amid concern the outbreak of the Ebola virus that began in Ghana could spread across their region as an uncontrolled pandemic.

In a statement distributed at the United Nations, the World Health Organization, WHO, classified the current Ebola outbreak as the worst ever.

The outbreak traces back to cases appearing in rural Guinea in March, which spread across Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone. So far, a total of 750 cases and 455 deaths have been reported in the affected countries, according to WHO.
http://www.wnd.com/2014/07/u-n-warns-eb ... erP5bIA.99

Lets dial it back a notch.
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Miles wrote:
Doctor X wrote:Then it would kill you as well.

--J.D.

In which case, Flounder shall be my first test subject.

(Yes, everyone would be sterile, but it should be fairly species-specific -- reproductive systems are quite varied among different animals, hence it should not pose a danger to other species or threaten the environment like a nuclear warhead would.)
I don't think you'd need to sterilise Flounder, the odds against him ever figuring out how to reproduce are immense.
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