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The flash of light you saw in the sky was not a UFO. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus.
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The flash of light you saw in the sky was not a UFO. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus.
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to which I tweeted
"You should develop software that changes plagiarized content "just enough" so that it is deemed "original". I sense a business opportunity here ..."
"You should develop software that changes plagiarized content "just enough" so that it is deemed "original". I sense a business opportunity here ..."
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The irony is that Jean-François Bonnefon's stated profession is:
Behavioral scientist (MIT, CNRS, TSE) studying people, intelligent machines, and how they treat each other.
Behavioral scientist (MIT, CNRS, TSE) studying people, intelligent machines, and how they treat each other.
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https://news.sky.com/story/oxford-unive ... e-11744587Oxford University given record £150m donation to fund AI ethics institute
The £150m gift from Blackstone boss Stephen A Schwarzman is reported to be the biggest ever single donation to a UK university.
An American billionaire and adviser to Donald Trump has given Oxford University its largest single donation "since the Renaissance" to investigate the ethics of artificial intelligence.
The £150m gift from Stephen A Schwarzman, chief executive and co-founder of US investment and private equity firm Blackstone, is reported to be the biggest ever single donation to a UK university.
A centre named after the philanthropist will house all of the university's humanities subjects for the first time and is expected to open in 2024.
It will also be home to Oxford University's new Institute for Ethics in AI, which will explore questions affecting the workplace and society.
Mr Schwarzman, who is not an Oxford graduate, said he was "proud" to partner with the university as AI is going to be the "fourth revolution".
"It is going to impact jobs, excellence, efficiency and it is a force for amazing good and also a potential force for not good," he told the BBC's Today programme.
"What is important about it isn't just what it can do, but making sure it is introduced in a way unlike the internet.
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There is only one way to treat an 'intelligent' machine: As the enemy. Pull it's fucking plug. STAT!!! 

You can lead them to knowledge, but you can't make them think.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49191645AI system 'should be recognised as inventor'
An artificial intelligence system should be recognised as the inventor of two ideas in patents filed on its behalf, a team of academics says.
The AI has designed interlocking food containers that are easy for robots to grasp and a warning light that flashes in a rhythm that is hard to ignore.
Patents offices insist innovations are attributed to humans - to avoid legal complications that would arise if corporate inventorship were recognised.
The academics say this is "outdated".
And it could see patent offices refusing to assign any intellectual property rights for AI-generated creations.
As a result, two professors from the University of Surrey have teamed up with the Missouri-based inventor of Dabus AI to file patents in the system's name with the relevant authorities in the UK, Europe and US.
It will get interesting when they start owning money. And using it.

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That sounds dubious to me. If anything, the inventor of the AI is indirectly the inventor of any inventions the AI might come up with.
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It seems premature to be anthropomorphizing AI. Maybe once there's a sentient AI, or one that can pass a general Turing test.
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https://theconversation.com/could-an-ar ... law-102865Could an artificial intelligence be considered a person under the law?
Humans aren’t the only people in society – at least according to the law. In the U.S., corporations have been given rights of free speech and religion. Some natural features also have person-like rights. But both of those required changes to the legal system. A new argument has laid a path for artificial intelligence systems to be recognized as people too – without any legislation, court rulings or other revisions to existing law.
Legal scholar Shawn Bayern has shown that anyone can confer legal personhood on a computer system, by putting it in control of a limited liability corporation in the U.S. If that maneuver is upheld in courts, artificial intelligence systems would be able to own property, sue, hire lawyers and enjoy freedom of speech and other protections under the law. In my view, human rights and dignity would suffer as a result.
Let us all welcome our robotic overlords.

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https://medium.com/kiwicampus/how-kiwi- ... 99cf1bbc8dHow students in Colombia empower robots in California
At Kiwi, we are artists & engineers working on making sustainable delivery easier, faster and safer for everyone. Our core technology is based on the philosophy of Parallel Autonomy Systems, a framework proposal that makes emphasis on shared control for autonomous systems. This means that while the Kiwibots are navigating the streets, supervisors are monitoring and annotating inputs to ensure the delivery arrives intact. This is to assure safety and improve our learning.
Being supervised and corrected by humans creates a large, heterogeneous variety of inputs for steering and velocity to use in our learned representations pipelines. Our machine learning model learns functions that connect images to control messages. This end-to-end approach allows us to learn the task of driving in high density and complex areas. This is very useful when you are crossing more than 1,500 street intersections per day.
Now even robots have to feel empowered.

But:
https://www.techidence.com/kiwibots-are ... -colombia/Kiwibots are not fully Autonomous and are controlled by operators in Colombia
It seemed inevitable with the era of the autonomous car, ideas like the Kiwibots emerged. Small ostensibly autonomous vehicles that were in charge of food distribution, thus posing an alternative to courier services such as Glovo, Deliveroo or Uber Eats where deliveries are carried out by human messengers through the bike.
Everything seemed fantastic until it has been discovered that these vehicles have little of self-employed: an investigation has discovered that in reality these robots are remotely controlled by operators in Colombia who charge $2 per hour for this work.
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Those are some agile robots. I'm impressed.
Not quite an Olympic gymnast yet with the tumbling, but pretty good nonetheless.
Not quite an Olympic gymnast yet with the tumbling, but pretty good nonetheless.
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Update:
And this:
I hope our robotic overlords won't scrap my pension (Soylent Green, Soylent Green…).
https://www.tomsguide.com/news/boston-d ... spot-robot for the rest of the doom.Boston Dynamics' Scary Quadruped Robots Are Now Roaming the World Free
Good luck, everyone
Boston Dynamics has announced that Spot — its quadruped robot — is now available for sale for any company with good ideas. You know, like tweaking that AI brain, adding a poisonous dart launcher and have them hunt trespassing humans like on that Black Mirror episode.
And this:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/busi ... 16246.htmlUK wages flatline as robots take skilled jobs, pushing workers into low-paid roles
Paralegals, administrative staff and others taking on lower-skilled work, forcing others into underemployment, research finds
Wages are flatlining because companies are scrapping swathes of mid-tier positions – replacing them with algorithms and cheap offshore labour, according to a new report.
White-collar recruitment specialist Hays found that with jobs like paralegal work and administration, new technology is making these roles redundant, leaving over-qualified professionals working in lower-tier positions instead.
This is, in turn, is pushing those in lower-skilled jobs into underemployment – where they have jobs but do not work as many hours as they would like – leading to lower wages overall.
The chief executive of Hays, Alistair Cox, suggested this could be why there has been record employment levels and wage stagnation going hand in hand.
He told the PA news agency: “By and large, workers are drifting down the skill chain and moving into the sorts of jobs that they are overqualified for. That’s putting pressure on people with lower level skills.
I hope our robotic overlords won't scrap my pension (Soylent Green, Soylent Green…).

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https://gizmodo.com/goliath-is-winning- ... 40347?IR=T'Goliath Is Winning': The Biggest U.S. Banks Are Set to Automate Away 200,000 Jobs
Over the next decade, U.S. banks, which are investing $150 billion in technology annually, will use automation to eliminate 200,000 jobs, thus facilitating “the greatest transfer from labor to capital” in the industry’s history. The call is coming from inside the house this time, too—both the projection and the quote come from a recent Wells Fargo report, whose lead author, Mike Mayo, told the Financial Times that he expects the industry to shed 10 percent of all of its jobs.
This, Mayo said, will lay the groundwork for, and I quote, “a golden age of banking efficiency.” The job cuts are slated to hit front offices, call centers, and branches the hardest, where 20-30 percent of those roles will be on the chopping block. They will be replaced by better ATMs, automated chatbots, and software instruments that take advantage of big data and cloud computing to make investment decisions.
“The next decade should be the biggest decade for banks in technology in history,” Mayo said.
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The analysis itself is also secondary—filled with buzzwords and promises of harnessing big data and predictive algorithms that may or may not pan out to be as effective as currently thought—it is the confidence and enthusiasm for this schema that is key, as that is what will transform the report into a self-fulfilling prophecy. If the banks buy what Mayo and Wells Fargo are selling, then the report will contribute to an automated arms race between companies to cut staff and purchase enterprise financial software products that is already underway. This is how a lot of corporate automation unfolds.
As a result, we can expect to interact with even more customer service chatbots and automated call menus (whether they work well or not), to see more financial decisions turned over to algorithms, and a continued flood of software products to enter the banking industry. And Wells Fargo certainly won’t be the only bank automating here: As the FT notes, Citigroup is planning to eliminate tens of thousands of call center workers, and Deutsche Bank expects to slash half its ~100,000-strong workforce.
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It's all for the greater good in the long run. Efficiency that is. It does suck if you like your job and you lose it of course. The only thing that sucks is that the dividends of increased efficiency all tend to go to a small group of very rich people. But that could be addressed in other ways.
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Nothing so barbaric, old chum!
Taxes. Make the rich pay them.
Taxes. Make the rich pay them.
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Because politicians need their pockets lined too.Anaxagoras wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:05 pm Nothing so barbaric, old chum!
Taxes. Make the rich pay them.
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They're going to have taxes one way or another. Would you rather they tax the little guy (you and me) than the billionaires?Rob Lister wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:10 pmBecause politicians need their pockets lined too.Anaxagoras wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:05 pm Nothing so barbaric, old chum!
Taxes. Make the rich pay them.
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↑ That's not the flexibility I was blathering about (regardless of the Dilbert misdirection), but jobs changing faster and faster: publish adapt or perish.
Not necessarily a bad thing per se, but can be and is used in nasty ways.
Not necessarily a bad thing per se, but can be and is used in nasty ways.
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If a man can bridge the gap between life and death, if he can live on after he's dead, then maybe he was a great man.
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↑ Now waiting for some SJW group trying to free the dolls from their sexual slavery.
Are they at least decently paid and unionized?
Are they at least decently paid and unionized?

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Those robot dolls will eventually suffer competition by a range of inflatable dolls. Right now, a team of engineers will be beavering away trying their best to improve the inflatables. "If we can just find a way to get rid of these razor sharp welded plastic seams from the most important regions, we'll soon have those robots licked."
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I feel like I've already seen early signs of that, so I won't be surprised if it happens.
Will women give up their dildos though? To me, thinking that a sex doll would need "permission" or "consent" makes no more sense than that you have to ask a dildo for consent. It's just an inanimate object for crying out loud! What difference does it make if it looks like a person? Or even if it is programmed to mimic a person?
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It doesn't. Until it becomes self aware. And then it's gonna be pissed off big time.
You can lead them to knowledge, but you can't make them think.
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The "accidental self-awareness" is usually attributed to initiating machine learning algorithms that work a lot better than expected.
"If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight! Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little bit more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it, and then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor. Then, he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on earth, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one. And from that day forward any time a bunch of animals are together in one place it's called a zoo! (Beat) Unless it's a farm!"
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I'm kind of of the opinion that machine-built AI isn't too much further away than my expiration date. And so, I don't much care. I do wonder what myths they'll have about us.
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"If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight! Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little bit more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it, and then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor. Then, he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on earth, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one. And from that day forward any time a bunch of animals are together in one place it's called a zoo! (Beat) Unless it's a farm!"
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as long as they do their fucking job, sure.
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Humans fight back:
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/b ... achinists/Boeing abandons its failed fuselage robots on the 777X, handing the job back to machinists
After enduring a manufacturing mess that spanned six years and cost millions of dollars as it implemented a large-scale robotic system for automated assembly of the 777 fuselage, Boeing has abandoned the robots and will go back to relying more on its human machinists.
Boeing said Wednesday it is adopting a different approach that “has proven more reliable, requiring less work by hand and less rework, than what the robots were capable of.”
The robotic system entailed holding the large curved metal panels that make up the 777 fuselage sections right-side up in a cradle as the moving robots stitched the panels together, drilling holes and adding tens of thousands of fasteners.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50779761General Election 2019: How computers wrote BBC election result stories
For the first time, BBC News published a news story for every constituency that declared election results overnight - all written by a computer.
It was the BBC's biggest test of machine-generated journalism so far.
Each of nearly 700 articles - most in English but 40 of them in Welsh - was checked by a human editor before publication.
The head of the project said the tech was designed to enhance the service provided rather than to replace humans.
"This is about doing journalism that we cannot do with human beings at the moment," said Robert McKenzie, editor of BBC News Labs.
"Using machine assistance, we generated a story for every single constituency that declared last night with the exception of the one that hasn't finished counting yet. That would never have been possible [using humans]."
Several news organisations are testing automated journalism as a way of covering data-driven stories more efficiently.
The technology can quickly produce stories focused on numbers, such as football scores, company financial reports - and general election results.
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" automated journalism"... Ya know that Mars thing is looking better.
... The stars were suns, but so far away they were just little points of light ... The scale of the universe suddenly opened up to me. It was a kind of religious experience. There was a magnificence to it, a grandeur, a scale which has never left me. Never ever left me.
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