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Even though they haven't been at fault, self-driving test cars are involved in crashes at five times the rate of conventional cars, a new study finds.

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As a result, the total number of self-driving car accidents being used for comparison is the study is minuscule, 11. But that's five times the rate of the accident rate in conventional cars, and there's four times the injury rate, the study finds. The injuries, however, have all been minor.
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A lot of minor accidents, dents and dings, aren't reported.

But with Google cars, even the most minor ones are for data.
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I'm so tired I almost ran over a pedestrian yesterday.
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Pyrrho wrote:I'm so tired I almost ran over a pedestrian yesterday.
You need to stop driving on the sidewalk.
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Yea, that was linked already, months ago. As it turns out, we'd all be hard pressed not to have the same accident. I'm pretty sure a human would not have the same fender-bender, but then-again, the human at the wheel did not anticipate the accident either. It was one of those weird circumstances wherein even a human might well have erred. It is hard to fault 'the google' here.

It is my opinion that google was not at fault here. It is a very, very technical question here. Google decided to shrug.
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Rob Lister wrote: the human at the wheel did not anticipate the accident either
Actually, the accident report they were required to fill out by the state under penalty of perjury, which you can get from Google themselves, says the human in the car did see the bus out of his side mirror.
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Its interesting that Google is not live streaming video from these cars. But then the public would really know what is going on.
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Rob Lister wrote: the human at the wheel did not anticipate the accident either
Actually, the accident report they were required to fill out by the state under penalty of perjury, which you can get from Google themselves, says the human in the car did see the bus out of his side mirror.
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Show me some self-driving cars successfully negotiating city streets after a heavy snowfall before and even after the plows go through and I might be impressed.
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Rob Lister wrote: For the reading impaired.
lol

Yes, the human didn't anticipate the auto car would drive into the side of the bus he saw through the mirror.
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Wellll .. there is a solution for many of the cases.

Have the cars communicate with each other. In other words, turn it into a non-stationary backpacking problem. The stats are there. Probably pretty easy.

Then the cars will attain self awareness.

Then ...
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Anaxagoras wrote:I don't foresee them banning regular cars, and I don't advocate that either. Just more and more people choosing driverless cars as time goes by. Because it's cheaper and easier and safer. Old people set in their ways will be the last to adopt of course.
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https://techcrunch.com/2016/09/23/a-goo ... iew-today/
A Google self-driving Lexus RX 450h was involved in a crash with a van in Mountain View, Calif. on Friday afternoon, according to local police. Thankfully, nobody was injured in the accident.

TechCrunch has reached out to Google for more information.

Two local TV stations, KRON and KPIX, reported that the Google autonomous vehicle had been “in control,” or in its self-driving mode at the time of the crash.

However, the self-driving car was reportedly manned by a Google employee who took over its operation, and applied the brakes when the van’s driver began crossing an intersection, possibly running a red light.
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Berlin (AFP) - A Tesla electric car crashed into a tourist bus on a motorway in northern Germany, police said Thursday, with the driver claiming he had activated the car's autopilot system.

The driver of the Tesla car was slightly injured, while the 29 people on board the Danish bus were unhurt in the incident on Wednesday, police in Ratzeburg in Schleswig-Holstein state said.

The 50-year-old driver's car hit the bus as it changed lanes outside the northern town of Gudow.

"We will now have to look into why the autopilot didn't work" to prevent the crash, police said in a statement.

Available for Tesla's Model S electric cars since October 2015, the driverless autopilot system has come under global scrutiny following fatal crashes in northern China in January and in the US state of Florida in May.

The Florida case attracted the attention of a US Senate Committee, which demanded a briefing on the autopilot's role in the accident.

Consumer activists have called on the company, founded by PayPal billionaire Elon Musk, to disable the autopilot feature until it is updated to detect whether the driver's hands are on the steering wheel during operation, as the company says they ought to be.

The driver in Wednesday's crash told police that he had not removed his hands from the wheel while the autopilot was activated, German press agency DPA reported.
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Weird how I am always ahead of the plagiarized news.

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California legalizes auto cars with no humans.
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I almost missed September's accident report.
https://static.googleusercontent.com/me ... t-0916.pdf

There were several for September, most occurring while the AV was under manual control. The last one was the most interesting.

Paraphrasing because I can't snip from the report ...

As the Google AV proceeded through a green light ... its autonomous technology detected another vehicle traveling westbound ... approaching the intersection at 30 mph and began to apply the brakes in anticipation that the other vehicle would run through the red light.

The Google AV test driver then disengaged the autonomous technology and took manual control. Immediately thereafter, the other vehicle ran through the red light and collided with the right side of the Google AV at 30 mph.


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So it would have avoided an accident if the driver hadn't overridden.

Anecdotal, but a data point in favor of the technology I would say.
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Why are they not releasing the video and the data stream...
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Because they are driving around on public roads. Imho, a written report by an obviously bias reporter is not sufficient.
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Abdul Alhazred wrote:How would it have gone if the human had been at the wheel in the first place?

That's the real question.
Same result probably.
The human was at the wheel the whole time. The human didn't notice the car that was going to run the red light.

Even if we can't be 100% certain, we know this sort of thing happens with normal manual cars too. I don't think that's "the real question". It's a question, but a less important question than how would it have gone if the computer had been in control the whole time. We already know more or less how it goes with human drivers. We have decades of data on trillions of miles driven by hundreds millions of human drivers. We have much less data on the computers, which is why it is a more interesting question.

The computer was slowing down because it recognized a potential danger that the human didn't recognize. That much is clear.
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Driverless car tested in the UK (in a pedestrian zone :mrgreen: ):
The autonomy software running the vehicle, called Selenium, was developed by Oxford University's Oxford Robotics Institute and integrated by Oxford University spinout company Oxbotica.
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Uber seems to be having some problems in San Fransisco:

Uber says it’s reviewing incident of self-driving car running a red light

Two incidents in fact, of "self-driving" running red lights.
Or maybe not:
Update, December 14th, 6:52PM ET: Uber appears to have completed its review, and concluded that it was the human drivers, not the computers, that were at fault.

“These incidents were due to human error,” a spokesperson said. “This is why we believe so much in making the roads safer by building self-driving Ubers. These vehicles were not part of the pilot and were not carrying customers. The drivers involved have been suspended while we continue to investigate.”
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Some people can find the downside to anything:

Self-Driving Cars Will Make Organ Shortages Even Worse
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Tesla's Self Driving Car Senses Accident Ahead, Brakes Before Collision

A video recently posted on Twitter features a self driving Tesla, which upon sensing an accident up ahead, brakes on its own.

The video has since gone viral, as it is contrary to the arguments against automated cars.
Here it is from YT:

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It occures to me that with fully driverless cars, we're about to see a big uptick in truck-hauled advertisements.

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↑ Interesting. As long as these unmanned ships stay in safe waters:

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What sort of measure is a "truck journey"?
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Grammatron wrote:What sort of measure is a "truck journey"?
I think ...
They currently haul fertilizer by truck rather than barge.
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Grammatron wrote:What sort of measure is a "truck journey"?
I think ...
They currently haul fertilizer by truck rather than barge.
And that truck journey, if measured in freedom units would be what exactly?
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Wouldn't you, if you were from Listy's planet? :)
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Not about the accident reports, but a piece about the challenges ahead:

https://www.marketplace.org/2018/01/30/ ... r-slowdown

Basically there are still a lot of difficult problems to overcome. We'll get there eventually, but it's not "just around the corner".
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Anaxagoras wrote:Not about the accident reports, but a piece about the challenges ahead:

https://www.marketplace.org/2018/01/30/ ... r-slowdown

Basically there are still a lot of difficult problems to overcome. We'll get there eventually, but it's not "just around the corner".
The reporter starts out well giving good and valid reasons the technology is not yet ready for prime time but I think he's a little short-sighted and pessimistic. Agreed, it isn't yet ready and 2020 is way too soon. Yea, LIDAR is in its infancy but kids grow up fast.

He then starts to jump the shark with ...
Moving to autonomous vehicles could destroy the jobs of millions of truckers, taxi drivers, bus drivers, dispatchers, and all the support jobs that make up the entire transportation industry.
And free up that labor to do more creative things. This is akin to a broken window fallacy.
It could also upend the automotive industry, despite the brave faces of Toyota and Audi and Ford and the like.
He doesn't say how.
There’s the auto insurance industry — will Geico go under if there aren’t any more car accidents?
Maybe. Or maybe they'll just insure other things. But if they do, so fucking what. Buggy whip.

Then he gets really stupid ...
The proposed unintended consequences start to get a lot darker, too, like the idea that there might be a sudden drop in organ donations when all those car accidents go away.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

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Rob Lister wrote:
Anaxagoras wrote:Not about the accident reports, but a piece about the challenges ahead:

https://www.marketplace.org/2018/01/30/ ... r-slowdown

Basically there are still a lot of difficult problems to overcome. We'll get there eventually, but it's not "just around the corner".
The reporter starts out well giving good and valid reasons the technology is not yet ready for prime time but I think he's a little short-sighted and pessimistic. Agreed, it isn't yet ready and 2020 is way too soon. Yea, LIDAR is in its infancy but kids grow up fast.

He then starts to jump the shark with ...
Moving to autonomous vehicles could destroy the jobs of millions of truckers, taxi drivers, bus drivers, dispatchers, and all the support jobs that make up the entire transportation industry.
And free up that labor to do more creative things. This is akin to a broken window fallacy.
It could also upend the automotive industry, despite the brave faces of Toyota and Audi and Ford and the like.
He doesn't say how.
There’s the auto insurance industry — will Geico go under if there aren’t any more car accidents?
Maybe. Or maybe they'll just insure other things. But if they do, so fucking what. Buggy whip.

Then he gets really stupid ...
The proposed unintended consequences start to get a lot darker, too, like the idea that there might be a sudden drop in organ donations when all those car accidents go away.
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The reporter is a she, BTW. You'd do her. Yeah I didn't pay much attention to that last bit about the "unintended consequences". They are all actually net positives, as you correctly point out, that are being looked at as negatives. However, there will be losers and the losers will probably make a stink about it, and sometimes politicians will pander to the losers by throwing up roadblocks, so it's still something to keep in mind.
A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool.
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