Chinese scientist claims first gene-edited human babies

We are the Borg.
User avatar
Anaxagoras
Posts: 25187
Joined: Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:45 am
Location: Yokohama/Tokyo, Japan

Chinese scientist claims first gene-edited human babies

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:06 am

The scientist is currently receiving a lot of criticism for this.

There is also some reason to be skeptical of the claim itself, since it was made via YouTube and not though a peer-reviewed scientific journal. Also his own university is claiming that they knew nothing about it. He doesn't have a lot of defenders right now. But I wonder if too much caution would risk holding back progress that could in the future yield some truly amazing achievements for humanity. Is the whole notion of trying to improve humanity by editing our genes something that should forever be taboo?

One of the few voices defending (sort of) the scientist:
‘I feel an obligation to be balanced.’ Noted biologist comes to defense of gene editing babies
A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool.
William Shakespeare

User avatar
Rob Lister
Posts: 21039
Joined: Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:15 pm
Title: Incipient toppler
Location: Swimming in Lake Ed

Re: Chinese scientist claims first gene-edited human babies

Post by Rob Lister » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:56 am

Gattaca killed the idea in the modern mind. Dystopia sells more tickets. I saw it as utopian. Vincent Freeman fucked everything up.

So sure! Why leave your kid to chance?

Let's say you do and your kid is born with some nasty genetic disease. I bet you'd use gene therapy to cure him if you could. What's the difference?

User avatar
Anaxagoras
Posts: 25187
Joined: Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:45 am
Location: Yokohama/Tokyo, Japan

Re: Chinese scientist claims first gene-edited human babies

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:17 am

Me too. I liked that movie but I thought they overdid the discrimination aspect. That's not how it would play out. In reality it seems the people opposed to it outnumber the people who think it's a good idea.
A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool.
William Shakespeare

User avatar
sparks
Posts: 15404
Joined: Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:13 pm
Location: Friar McWallclocks Bar -- Where time stands still while you lean over!

Re: Chinese scientist claims first gene-edited human babies

Post by sparks » Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:24 am

Because they're ignorant. "You're messing with Gawd's (chaotic and often virulently harmful) plan!!11" Not all the combinations available in the human genome produce a healthy, rational being.

Hell, just look at WildCat.... :)
You can lead them to knowledge, but you can't make them think.

User avatar
ed
Posts: 35811
Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:52 pm
Title: The Hero of Sukhbataar

Re: Chinese scientist claims first gene-edited human babies

Post by ed » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:24 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:17 am
Me too. I liked that movie but I thought they overdid the discrimination aspect. That's not how it would play out. In reality it seems the people opposed to it outnumber the people who think it's a good idea.
Like (yikes!!) gay marriage?
Wenn ich Kultur höre, entsichere ich meinen Browning!

User avatar
sparks
Posts: 15404
Joined: Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:13 pm
Location: Friar McWallclocks Bar -- Where time stands still while you lean over!

Re: Chinese scientist claims first gene-edited human babies

Post by sparks » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:43 pm

Small minds are immediately opposed to change, ed.

Because Gawd.
You can lead them to knowledge, but you can't make them think.

User avatar
Doctor X
Posts: 71160
Joined: Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:09 pm
Title: Collective Messiah
Location: Your Mom

Re: Chinese scientist claims first gene-edited human babies

Post by Doctor X » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:17 pm

People should spend some time reading about inborn errors of metabolism and wonder what can be done about them.

--J.D.
Mob of the Mean: Free beanie, cattle-prod and Charley Fan Club!
"Doctor X is just treating you the way he treats everyone--as subhuman crap too dumb to breathe in after you breathe out."--Don
DocX: FTW.--sparks
"Doctor X wins again."--Pyrrho
"Never sorry to make a racist Fucktard cry."--His Humble MagNIfIcence
"It was the criticisms of Doc X, actually, that let me see more clearly how far the hypocrisy had gone."--clarsct
"I'd leave it up to Doctor X who has been a benevolent tyrant so far."--Grammatron
"Indeed you are a river to your people.
Shit. That's going to end up in your sig."--Pyrrho
"Try a twelve step program and accept Doctor X as your High Power."--asthmatic camel
"just like Doc X said." --gnome

ImageWS CHAMPIONS X4!!!! ImageNBA CHAMPIONS!! Stanley Cup!Image SB CHAMPIONS X6!!!!!! Image

User avatar
ed
Posts: 35811
Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:52 pm
Title: The Hero of Sukhbataar

Re: Chinese scientist claims first gene-edited human babies

Post by ed » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:17 pm

sparks wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:43 pm
Small minds are immediately opposed to change, ed.

Because Gawd.
Thats why god invented marketing.
Wenn ich Kultur höre, entsichere ich meinen Browning!

User avatar
Abdul Alhazred
Posts: 77349
Joined: Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:33 pm
Title: Yes, that one.
Location: Chicago

Re: Chinese scientist claims first gene-edited human babies

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:26 pm

So I guess that means an unstoppble army of mutant clones is still out at least for the time being? :evil:
Image "If I turn in a sicko, will I get a reward?"

"Yes! A BIG REWARD!" ====> Click here to turn in a sicko
The arc of the moral universe bends towards chaos.
People who believe God or History are on their side provide the chaos.

User avatar
Witness
Posts: 22343
Joined: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:50 pm

Re: Chinese scientist claims first gene-edited human babies

Post by Witness » Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:09 am

There will be genes for the rich, and genes for the poor… :|

User avatar
sparks
Posts: 15404
Joined: Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:13 pm
Location: Friar McWallclocks Bar -- Where time stands still while you lean over!

Re: Chinese scientist claims first gene-edited human babies

Post by sparks » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:53 am

ed wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:17 pm
sparks wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:43 pm
Small minds are immediately opposed to change, ed.

Because Gawd.
Thats why humans invented marketing.
FTFY
You can lead them to knowledge, but you can't make them think.

User avatar
Anaxagoras
Posts: 25187
Joined: Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:45 am
Location: Yokohama/Tokyo, Japan

Re: Chinese scientist claims first gene-edited human babies

Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:32 am

Here's some of the harsher criticisms. I sort of agree (not all of them, but some certainly). It seems like by trying to do this alone, in secret, he may have made some mistakes along the way.

The CRISPR Baby Scandal Gets Worse by the Day
A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool.
William Shakespeare

User avatar
Doctor X
Posts: 71160
Joined: Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:09 pm
Title: Collective Messiah
Location: Your Mom

Re: Chinese scientist claims first gene-edited human babies

Post by Doctor X » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:49 am

And also for no fucking reason other than to do it and get paid.

--J.D.
Mob of the Mean: Free beanie, cattle-prod and Charley Fan Club!
"Doctor X is just treating you the way he treats everyone--as subhuman crap too dumb to breathe in after you breathe out."--Don
DocX: FTW.--sparks
"Doctor X wins again."--Pyrrho
"Never sorry to make a racist Fucktard cry."--His Humble MagNIfIcence
"It was the criticisms of Doc X, actually, that let me see more clearly how far the hypocrisy had gone."--clarsct
"I'd leave it up to Doctor X who has been a benevolent tyrant so far."--Grammatron
"Indeed you are a river to your people.
Shit. That's going to end up in your sig."--Pyrrho
"Try a twelve step program and accept Doctor X as your High Power."--asthmatic camel
"just like Doc X said." --gnome

ImageWS CHAMPIONS X4!!!! ImageNBA CHAMPIONS!! Stanley Cup!Image SB CHAMPIONS X6!!!!!! Image

User avatar
Doctor X
Posts: 71160
Joined: Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:09 pm
Title: Collective Messiah
Location: Your Mom

Re: Chinese scientist claims first gene-edited human babies

Post by Doctor X » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:23 am

Meanwhile, appears that he has disappeared.

--J.D.
Mob of the Mean: Free beanie, cattle-prod and Charley Fan Club!
"Doctor X is just treating you the way he treats everyone--as subhuman crap too dumb to breathe in after you breathe out."--Don
DocX: FTW.--sparks
"Doctor X wins again."--Pyrrho
"Never sorry to make a racist Fucktard cry."--His Humble MagNIfIcence
"It was the criticisms of Doc X, actually, that let me see more clearly how far the hypocrisy had gone."--clarsct
"I'd leave it up to Doctor X who has been a benevolent tyrant so far."--Grammatron
"Indeed you are a river to your people.
Shit. That's going to end up in your sig."--Pyrrho
"Try a twelve step program and accept Doctor X as your High Power."--asthmatic camel
"just like Doc X said." --gnome

ImageWS CHAMPIONS X4!!!! ImageNBA CHAMPIONS!! Stanley Cup!Image SB CHAMPIONS X6!!!!!! Image

User avatar
Anaxagoras
Posts: 25187
Joined: Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:45 am
Location: Yokohama/Tokyo, Japan

Re: Chinese scientist claims first gene-edited human babies

Post by Anaxagoras » Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:06 am

Presumably "detained" by Chinese authorities (although that may be speculation).

A famous Chinese actress also went "missing" recently until it was learned that she was being held by the government for tax evasion. I guess that's how they do things in China.
A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool.
William Shakespeare

User avatar
Doctor X
Posts: 71160
Joined: Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:09 pm
Title: Collective Messiah
Location: Your Mom

Re: Chinese scientist claims first gene-edited human babies

Post by Doctor X » Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:27 am

It is just like Obama Did to American Citizens.

Except he did not.

In the rain.

--J.D.
Mob of the Mean: Free beanie, cattle-prod and Charley Fan Club!
"Doctor X is just treating you the way he treats everyone--as subhuman crap too dumb to breathe in after you breathe out."--Don
DocX: FTW.--sparks
"Doctor X wins again."--Pyrrho
"Never sorry to make a racist Fucktard cry."--His Humble MagNIfIcence
"It was the criticisms of Doc X, actually, that let me see more clearly how far the hypocrisy had gone."--clarsct
"I'd leave it up to Doctor X who has been a benevolent tyrant so far."--Grammatron
"Indeed you are a river to your people.
Shit. That's going to end up in your sig."--Pyrrho
"Try a twelve step program and accept Doctor X as your High Power."--asthmatic camel
"just like Doc X said." --gnome

ImageWS CHAMPIONS X4!!!! ImageNBA CHAMPIONS!! Stanley Cup!Image SB CHAMPIONS X6!!!!!! Image

User avatar
xouper
Posts: 9473
Joined: Fri Jun 11, 2004 4:52 am
Location: has left the building

Re: Chinese scientist claims first gene-edited human babies

Post by xouper » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:53 am

Doctor X wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:27 am
It is just like Obama Did to American Citizens.
Image

User avatar
Doctor X
Posts: 71160
Joined: Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:09 pm
Title: Collective Messiah
Location: Your Mom

Re: Chinese scientist claims first gene-edited human babies

Post by Doctor X » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:24 pm

No, it really is not about you, son.

--J.D.
Mob of the Mean: Free beanie, cattle-prod and Charley Fan Club!
"Doctor X is just treating you the way he treats everyone--as subhuman crap too dumb to breathe in after you breathe out."--Don
DocX: FTW.--sparks
"Doctor X wins again."--Pyrrho
"Never sorry to make a racist Fucktard cry."--His Humble MagNIfIcence
"It was the criticisms of Doc X, actually, that let me see more clearly how far the hypocrisy had gone."--clarsct
"I'd leave it up to Doctor X who has been a benevolent tyrant so far."--Grammatron
"Indeed you are a river to your people.
Shit. That's going to end up in your sig."--Pyrrho
"Try a twelve step program and accept Doctor X as your High Power."--asthmatic camel
"just like Doc X said." --gnome

ImageWS CHAMPIONS X4!!!! ImageNBA CHAMPIONS!! Stanley Cup!Image SB CHAMPIONS X6!!!!!! Image

User avatar
Anaxagoras
Posts: 25187
Joined: Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:45 am
Location: Yokohama/Tokyo, Japan

Re: Chinese scientist claims first gene-edited human babies

Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:34 pm

Looks like it won't end well for Mr. He.

https://bgr.com/2019/01/07/he-jiankui-a ... hment/amp/

He could possibly be executed although nobody seems to know anything solid.
A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool.
William Shakespeare

User avatar
Anaxagoras
Posts: 25187
Joined: Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:45 am
Location: Yokohama/Tokyo, Japan

Re: Chinese scientist claims first gene-edited human babies

Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:43 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:34 pm
Looks like it won't end well for Mr. He.

https://bgr.com/2019/01/07/he-jiankui-a ... hment/amp/

He could possibly be executed although nobody seems to know anything solid.
This got me thinking about how in the United States we have Habeas corpus. It's one of those things that is noticeable by its absence in countries like China.

Basically He's colleagues have no idea what's going to happen to him, what he's been charged with or when he's going to trial.

In China they can just make people disappear and hold them incommunicado and they don't have to tell anyone why or answer any questions to anyone about it. That's why totalitarian governments are so scary.
A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool.
William Shakespeare