Natural selection has collateral damage.

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Natural selection has collateral damage.

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:34 pm

gnome wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:33 pm
Unfortunately "natural selection" has collateral damage. ...
Inspired by but really unrelated to a comment by gnome in another thread (follow the little arrow).

Think of the evolution from Ape to ManTM.

Unlike my Intelligent Icky Design examples every little increment confers obvious immediate advantage to the individual.

Every little improvement in walking upright, every little improvement in ability to handle tools, every little improvement in ability to make tools, etc.

And yet it has the side effects of producing a creature that has the ability to know it is dying, see ghosts, agonize over existence, invent Nobodaddy, etc.

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Re: Natural selection has collateral damage.

Post by Witness » Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:03 am

You're under the illusion that life is somehow meant to be enjoyed.

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Re: Natural selection has collateral damage.

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:05 am

Witness wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:03 am
You're under the illusion that life is somehow meant to be enjoyed.
Or understood. :BigGrin3:
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Re: Natural selection has collateral damage.

Post by Witness » Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:15 am

↑ Indeed.

If some stupid molecules hadn't started reproducing in the primeval ooze, there would be no suffering.

Collateral benefit: and nobody to wonder about it.

Win/win. :BigGrin3:


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Re: Natural selection has collateral damage.

Post by sparks » Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:50 pm

We're on our way back to the ooze. Hence, and end to suffering, which after all, was just an illusion. Like all the other shit.
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Re: Natural selection has collateral damage.

Post by Anaxagoras » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:04 am

Evolution has collateral damage. Sure, absolutely.

We pay a price for having big brains. Like, human babies are completely helpless had dependent on their parents for much longer than animal babies. We are not as strong as our cousins, the chimpanzees and the gorillas. I do think that animals suffer, however. Not quite in the same ways we do, but they suffer.
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Re: Natural selection has collateral damage.

Post by Witness » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:28 am

↑ Most animals never see their parents.

And yet they "know" what to do. (E. g. parasitic wasps who hunt spiders, sting them in exactly the right places to keep them alive but helpless, and the larvae feeding on essential organs last. Which incidentally proves gOD's benevolence for hIS creation…)

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Re: Natural selection has collateral damage.

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:46 am

Witness wrote:
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↑ Most animals never see their parents.

And yet they "know" what to do. (E. g. parasitic wasps who hunt spiders, sting them in exactly the right places to keep them alive but helpless, and the larvae feeding on essential organs last. Which incidentally proves gOD's benevolence for hIS creation…)
The perfect example of Intelligent Icky Design.

Just too icky to have evolved naturally, unlike our godlike selves. :coolspecs:
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Re: Natural selection has collateral damage.

Post by Witness » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:05 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:46 am
Just too icky to have evolved naturally, unlike our godlike selves. :coolspecs:
I'd prefer then not to meet the designer's designer. :|

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Re: Natural selection has collateral damage.

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:33 pm

Bear in mind the concept of "collateral damage" is a value judgement. :mrgreen:
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Re: Natural selection has collateral damage.

Post by sparks » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:01 am

But you insist on using same in a scientific context. Knock that shit off. If you please. :)
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:58 am

"Icky" is also a value judgement, yet it is built into the structure of the universe.

Evidences, my friend. :coolspecs:
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Re: Natural selection has collateral damage.

Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:20 am

sparks wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:01 am
But you insist on using same in a scientific context. Knock that shit off. If you please. :)
True. None of this is really "science".

Nature doesn't care if something is "icky" if it gets the job done.

Why do dogs sometimes eat their own poop? Who the fuck knows. I'm guessing that the question has been asked and studied by gen-u-ine scientists, but I'd rather not think about it too much myself, because it's icky.
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Re: Natural selection has collateral damage.

Post by sparks » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:14 am

That is why you are not a True Scientist(tm) :)

https://www.google.com/search?client=fi ... wn+shit%3F

One must face the facts of this goddamned mess called life and get on with it regardless of the 'icky', dipshit. :)
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Re: Natural selection has collateral damage.

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:24 am

Why do you hate evidences? :poutpout:
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Re: Natural selection has collateral damage.

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:25 pm

The Surprising Reason Zebras Have Stripes

Can you guess? Maybe the word "surprising" is a clue.
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