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Brain Implants

Post by Anaxagoras » Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:34 am

So I was listening to a podcast this weekend about this. There's a new technique called deep brain stimulation that has had some success in treating certain conditions. They implant electrodes deep in the brain and set a voltage to them. The podcast focused on one woman involved in the early studies. She had severe OCD and depression. It was so severe at one point that she could hardly leave her room. The brain implants seem to help. Just zapping the brain with electricity. I wonder if we're all going to have something like this in the future. Of course, it isn't a simple procedure as it involves cutting a hole in your skull. Because she participated in an experimental study, it was free for her, but I imagine this would be quite expensive if it is approved for use.
What would it be like if you could control your mood with a hand held device? Literally turn the device to different settings and make yourself happier and sadder? Alix Spiegel talks to a woman who has that power. She was part of a neuropsychiatric trial that implanted a device in her brain that was supposed to help moderate her severe OCD, which also allows her a different level of control over her mood than most of us.
Since she had her implants, which they call "chopsticks," just two long, thin electrodes implanted in the brain, they're now trying a newer model called "the octopus" with multiple electrodes.
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Re: Brain Implants

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:19 am

The Terminal Man by Michael Crichton. :coolspecs:
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Re: Brain Implants

Post by Anaxagoras » Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:44 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
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The Terminal Man by Michael Crichton. :coolspecs:
Sounds like a science fiction that was pretty close to the mark (minus the patient going haywire).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Terminal_Man

So far, it seems to have some promising results. The woman with severe OCD and depression for example, has been able to lead a normal lifestyle and even has a job and a marriage now.
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Re: Brain Implants

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Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:19 am
The Terminal Man by Michael Crichton. :coolspecs:
Beat me to it. Damn! :)

Good movie, great book.
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Post by Doctor X » Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:45 am

It is not new.

It is over 50 years old. I would have to look for it, but there is a reference to a scientist who did it to a bull so, in a bull fight arena, he would have it charge then "shut it off."

The problem is it is still a situation where you have a problem in your computer--or your car--and I stick a wire in the area and think firing is going to work. That is the problem with conditions like Parkinson's Disease where there is a particularly "distinct loss" so the hope was one could stimulate the areas that are no longer stimulated. Unfortunately, PD, and many other degenerative disease, really involve more than that.

But, sometimes it is simple. Look up vagal nerve stimulators which help with certain seizure conditions.

Terry Schiavo had a thalamic stimulator. It obviously did not help given she did not have a cerebral cortex for the thalamus to stimulate!

This seems to be like vagal nerve stimulators where you overwhelm an area. There is always a bit of a "hit it with a hammer" approach to problems that do not have solutions. Despite the Hollywood depictions, electroconvulsive therapy does work . . . and still no one knows why. They just noticed, a century ago, that people with seizures seems "better" from their depression to make a complicated story short.

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Re: Brain Implants

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:32 am

Now that I think of it, also the underlying technology of ...

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Re: Brain Implants

Post by Anaxagoras » Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:04 am

Doctor X wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:45 am
It is not new.
OK, you're right. But maybe some of the conditions that it has been successfully used to treat are a newish development.
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Re: Brain Implants

Post by ed » Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:33 am

Doctor X wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:45 am
It is not new.

It is over 50 years old. I would have to look for it, but there is a reference to a scientist who did it to a bull so, in a bull fight arena, he would have it charge then "shut it off."

The problem is it is still a situation where you have a problem in your computer--or your car--and I stick a wire in the area and think firing is going to work. That is the problem with conditions like Parkinson's Disease where there is a particularly "distinct loss" so the hope was one could stimulate the areas that are no longer stimulated. Unfortunately, PD, and many other degenerative disease, really involve more than that.

But, sometimes it is simple. Look up vagal nerve stimulators which help with certain seizure conditions.

Terry Schiavo had a thalamic stimulator. It obviously did not help given she did not have a cerebral cortex for the thalamus to stimulate!

This seems to be like vagal nerve stimulators where you overwhelm an area. There is always a bit of a "hit it with a hammer" approach to problems that do not have solutions. Despite the Hollywood depictions, electroconvulsive therapy does work . . . and still no one knows why. They just noticed, a century ago, that people with seizures seems "better" from their depression to make a complicated story short.

--J.D.
That was Delgado as I recall. Olds and Milner did the early work on the "pleasure center" as evinced by endless bar presses in a skinner box to receive stimulation. There was a ton of stuff at the time and many got their doctorates fooling around with variations of the paradigm.

I also recall Penfield doing human ablation studies.

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