Probably more politics than science, but even so

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Probably more politics than science, but even so

Post by robinson » Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:49 am

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... b-gdnworld

The administration’s latest statement came after Russian media reports claimed dozens of medical workers had been exposed to radiation.

Reports emerged that medical teams at the Arkhangelsk city hospital had not been warned that they would be treating people exposed to radiation and had lacked elementary protective gear. They also said Russia’s security agency had forced the medical workers to sign non-disclosure papers.


The workers, who spoke on condition of anonymity fearing official reprisals, said many doctors and nurses were angry the authorities had put their lives at risk.

A Kremlin spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, questioned whether the anonymous sources were accurate and alleged that certain forces could be interested in making false allegations about radioactive threats.

The Russian defence ministry at first denied any radiation leak even as authorities in Severodvinsk reported a spike in radiation and advised people to stay indoors and close windows. Terrified residents rushed to buy iodine, which can help reduce risks from exposure to radiation.

Russia’s state weather and environmental monitoring agency said the peak radiation reading in Severodvinsk on 8 August briefly reached 1.78 microsieverts per hour in just one neighbourhood, about 16 times the average. Peak readings in other parts of Severodvinsk varied between 0.45 and 1.33 microsieverts for a couple of hours before returning to normal.

Two days after the blast, two Russian-operated monitoring stations ceased transmitting data, when a projected radioactive plume from the deadly accident was expected to reach them, leading to accusations Russia was concealing valuable data that could help determine the technology that was being tested.
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Re: Probably more politics than science, but even so

Post by robinson » Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:52 am

These stations aren't some minor thing.

Two Russian-operated monitoring stations for the comprehensive nuclear test ban treaty ceased transmitting data two days after the 8 August blast, when a projected radioactive plume from the deadly accident would be expected to reach them.
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Re: Probably more politics than science, but even so

Post by robinson » Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:53 am

Tampering with the treaty data is the same as violating the treaty.

Violating the text ban treaty is some serious shit. North Korea level serious shit.
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Re: Probably more politics than science, but even so

Post by robinson » Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:54 am

Meanwhile, it's a goddamn mystery how much new radioactive material (and what kind) is now circulating around the planet.

At least five people were killed earlier this week when a rocket exploded during the highly secretive test, causing a spike in gamma radiation levels in the city of Severodvinsk nearly 20 miles away for several hours.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... blast-area

I'm surprised they didn't just say "gamma radiation levels were briefly 40 times normal".

Because, you know, gamma rays are always happening at the earth's surface. Right?
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Re: Probably more politics than science, but even so

Post by Bananas?-Yes » Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:53 am

Mr. Eckel working from Prague reports the Norsar Research Institute in Norway seems to have some data suggesting a second explosion, but it is understandable that the Russian authorities would be really tight lipped about all this.

Norwegian Researchers Say Data May Point To Second Blast At Russian Test Site

Note that second paragraph.

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Oh yes, their monitors are now separate from those of any particular national government.

And I can't find a page with the map of the sensors in English: https://www.jordskjelv.no/

And that map takes a bit to load.
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Re: Probably more politics than science, but even so

Post by robinson » Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:29 pm

Goddamn Russians
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Re: Probably more politics than science, but even so

Post by robinson » Sun Sep 01, 2019 11:37 pm

"I'm sure that missing data will be showing up soon


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Re: Probably more politics than science, but even so

Post by sparks » Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:22 am

OK, so they're liars and motherfuckers. We've known that all along. What's new? In the face of horrible circumstances they eat their own.

But then again, so do we.
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Re: Probably more politics than science, but even so

Post by robinson » Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:05 pm

sparks wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:22 am
OK, so they're liars and motherfuckers. We've known that all along. What's new? In the face of horrible circumstances they eat their own.

But then again, so do we.
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Re: Probably more politics than science, but even so

Post by robinson » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:10 am

But that is no reason to stop caring
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