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https://www.reddit.com/r/Wuhan_Flu/ <-- unfiltered news, unreliable, but uncensored, gets paranoid conspiracy too

You have to pick between the Chicomm official news and reading for yourself and trying to sift crap from truth.

Wuhan Flu is a biological wildfire so extreme that quarantines are require to prevent a global pandemic from growing further.

Almost everything China has told us has been understated.

The only way to prevent further spread is to prevent everyone from leaving their homes. The Wuhan quarantine essentially forces people to stay indoors til all the infected are either well or dead.

China is cremating the bodies and no person can trust the death counts.

Transmission to pets and back is possible supposedly and the Metro is reporting that in Wuhan they are asking people to not let pets out.

Buy a case of water and a case of ramen today early before superbowl after-church shoppers hit the grocery store.

One report claims that virus has an 85% chance to spread if sit next to someone infected on a plane.

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How Wuhan kills.

From what I've been able to determine, Wuhan complications like Pneumonia with the high transmission rate, simply means medical services get overwhelmed. I haven't seen any reports showing it actually being more lethal than a flu, it is just so effective at spreading that you run out of the ability to treat pneumonia while people drown to death.


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For those who prefer truth over lies, nonsense and hyperbole: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/summary.html
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shemp wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:05 pm For those who prefer truth over lies, nonsense and hyperbole: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/summary.html
Damn! Nothing about it being a bioweapon that got out. :evil:
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It's kind of obvious that if we'd known the truth a week ago, flights would have been shut down then. The Chinese were lying to everyone else.

The CDC has the GIGO problem. Garbage-In, Garbage-Out. They get data from the Chinese.

Look what that fringe nutjobs at Bloomberg news are reporting:
Coastal Chinese City Quarantined (7:55 a.m. NY)
Wenzhou, an eastern port of 9 million people, became the first city outside central Hubei province to impose quarantine measures due to the coronavirus outbreak. The city, some 700 kilometers from the epidemic’s origin in Wuhan, is in Zhejiang province, which has about 600 confirmed cases of the virus, the highest number outside Hubei. The two cities are known for their business ties.

Families will be allowed to send one person out of the house every two days to shop for necessities, city authorities said. Residents are advised to leave their homes only for medical treatment or related reasons.
9million more people quarantined and confined to their homes to contain the wildfire.

In other words, the fringers have been more right than the press up until now and the press is catching up.

Sorry to pop your bubble Shemp, there is no authority to appeal to in this situation.
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Doesn't matter. The Robinson No True Neutron thingy will kill us first.
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https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001191

35 yr old healthy male, not pretty.

Hence the chinese lockdowns, if you don't force everyone to sit their ass at home, the infected quickly become too many people to take care of.
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Canada, is more concerned about racism against the Chinese than about the actual virus. Thus showing why Trudeau is such an ineffective leader.

China has whole regions under full quarantine and Trudeau is worry about stereotypes.

What a limp dick asshole.
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US Department of State has issued a Level 4 travel advisory. "Do not travel to China"

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel ... isory.html
Do not travel to China due to the novel coronavirus first identified in Wuhan, China. On January 30, the World Health Organization (WHO) determined the rapidly spreading outbreak constitutes a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC). Travelers should be prepared for the possibility of travel restrictions with little or no advance notice. Most commercial air carriers have reduced or suspended routes to and from China.
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Number of dead divided by (dead + recovered) is currently a scary-high 48%. So of those who have been diagnosed but are no longer requiring treatment, almost half of them died. It is to be hoped that this fraction, and also the transmission rate fall substantially pretty soon, or it's bad news for humans.

Looking on the bright side, a cull of a sizeable fraction of humans will benefit wildlife and help to reduce pollution and climate change.
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Yeah but for every known "recovery" there's 100 people who had it and recovered without ever being counted.
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As to the origin of the virus...

There is as much evidence that the evidence is naturally occurring as there is that it is unnatural.

I will start with that as a neutral assumption and then review the data.

Pro-Natural
1. China says so.

Pro-Unnatural

1. patents about developing coronavirus strains to fight avian flu indicating that researching 'corona as a vaccine' was ongoing in 2020 (https://patents.google.com/patent/US10130701/en) , so bio labs doing research on Corona is not fakenews. Labs being tied to various people or whatever, mostly conspiracy noise. But facts are facts.

2. Studying Sars-Like viruses in Bats was Kinda a Wuhan Thing
https://link.springer.com/article/10.10 ... 010-0729-6


So on one hand we have the meat market non-evidence based assertion of the Chinese government.

And we have the facts that labs in Wuhan were studying similar diseases as far back as 2010.

Maybe the conspiracy theory is that the Chinese government is telling the truth and occam's razor says 'they made it until they prove otherwise, where there is smoke there is fire'.

Due to the Chinese government being a totalitarian-lite one, we can never know for sure whether the official explanation is correct.


"it all started with eating a bat"

"it all started when research escaped the lab"

Could be the same explanation actually. lab->bat->human.


Gosh. Sure is coincidental. Couldn't have started in a better place though since it's the place where they study these kinds of viruses. They have plenty of talent intimately familiar with it. It's totally naturally occurring though and not a containment failure.

Sure.
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Natural is the default assumption.
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corplinx wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:21 pm It's kind of obvious that if we'd known the truth a week ago, flights would have been shut down then. The Chinese were lying to everyone else.

The CDC has the GIGO problem. Garbage-In, Garbage-Out. They get data from the Chinese.

Look what that fringe nutjobs at Bloomberg news are reporting:
Coastal Chinese City Quarantined (7:55 a.m. NY)
Wenzhou, an eastern port of 9 million people, became the first city outside central Hubei province to impose quarantine measures due to the coronavirus outbreak. The city, some 700 kilometers from the epidemic’s origin in Wuhan, is in Zhejiang province, which has about 600 confirmed cases of the virus, the highest number outside Hubei. The two cities are known for their business ties.

Families will be allowed to send one person out of the house every two days to shop for necessities, city authorities said. Residents are advised to leave their homes only for medical treatment or related reasons.
9million more people quarantined and confined to their homes to contain the wildfire.

In other words, the fringers have been more right than the press up until now and the press is catching up.

Sorry to pop your bubble Shemp, there is no authority to appeal to in this situation.
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Anaxagoras wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:00 pm Yeah but for every known "recovery" there's 100 people who had it and recovered without ever being counted.
Yes, probably. But if they weren't diagnosed and treated they could have had some other bug? Have there been any scientific studies yet (maybe checking what proportion of the Wuhan population have antibodies for the virus) to estimate what proportion of those infected develop severe enough symptoms to make them seek treatment?

If there are lots of people who've had it and recovered that we don't know about, then that's good news for the death ratio, but it's bad news for the transmission ratio because that means it's spreading much faster than official figures show.
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True. If someone had cold-like or flu-like symptoms and got better without ever seeing a doctor and getting tested, then we can't really say what they had. I'm just guessing though. I personally don't go running to a doctor for every sniffle or sneeze. If the symptoms were mild or moderate, I probably wouldn't bother.
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The symptoms of Wuhan virus are a fever followed by a dry persistent cough, but notably and unusually NOT a runny nose. The severe cases then go on after a week or so to difficulty in breathing, and possible death.

So if you get a "cold" without a runny nose, it's probably a good idea to contact the medical authorities and let them know. But by the time we get it, the authorities are likely to be overwhelmed and won't be able to help.
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Anaxagoras wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:06 pm Natural is the default assumption.
What about if we find oil all over a field, and it just happens an oil pipeline runs over the field. There is also the possibility that an oil field could be under the ground.

See the issue?
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corplinx wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:08 am
Anaxagoras wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:06 pm Natural is the default assumption.
What about if we find oil all over a field, and it just happens an oil pipeline runs over the field. There is also the possibility that an oil field could be under the ground.

See the issue?
What do you consider to be evidence that this particular virus escaped from some lab? The existence of a patent by UK inventors and a research paper by Chinese authors about coronavirus in bats?
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