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I don't like it either, but I think it beats having a bad case of the Wuhan flu.
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Yep
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There's an idea being discussed called "cross-immunity". The idea here is that maybe prior exposure to, for example, a different kind of coronavirus might confer some resistance to this version. Does this seem plausible?

Experts suspect cross immunity explains Japan's low coronavirus death rate
TOKYO -- Some experts say cross immunity is the reason for the low death rate among novel coronavirus patients in Japan and other parts of Asia compared to that in Europe and North America.

When viruses that an individual has never been infected with enter the human body, the body makes antibodies, or proteins that combat the foreign substances. The first antibody to appear is Immunoglobulin M (IgM), while Immunoglobulin G (IgG) is produced later. While IgM antibodies disappear fairly quickly, IgG antibodies remain for a prolonged period and continue to protect the body from the same viruses.

When a team of researchers including Tatsuhiko Kodama, leader of the cancer metabolism project at the University of Tokyo's Research Center for Advanced Science and Technology, studied the blood samples of coronavirus patients, IgG antibodies had increased in volume faster than IgM antibodies for some.

Kodama says this proves such people have immunity, since they were infected with a virus similar to the novel coronavirus that may have spread across Asia before. "Cross immunity may have worked when those people got infected with the new coronavirus," he commented.

A team of researchers at the La Jolla Institute for Immunology in the United States has also pointed out that cross immunity may have worked for some people. According to a paper released by the American scientific journal Cell, researchers found immune cells that reacted to the new coronavirus from about a half of the blood samples collected from 20 people in the United States between 2015 and 2018.


Could differences in immune response, possibly because of prior exposure to different coronaviruses explain why some people get very sick, while others not so much, or not at all in some cases?

It reminds me of the story I heard a long time ago about how vaccines were invented. Someone observed that a person who had been infected with cow pox had some resistance or immunity to small pox. Cow pox was a milder disease than small pox. From that the idea was born that maybe you could give people immunity or resistance to small pox by first intentionally giving them cow pox. That would be a kind of "cross immunity" would it not? Exposure to one virus could thereby provide some immunity to another virus, no?
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Anaxagoras wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:15 am Could differences in immune response, possibly because of prior exposure to different coronaviruses explain why some people get very sick, while others not so much, or not at all in some cases?
Not about coronaviruses, but the idea isn't really new:
Edward Jenner (1749-1823), an English doctor, became interested in the idea that previous illness with a disease called cowpox could protect a person from later becoming ill with smallpox. Jenner's biographer claimed that Jenner heard this folk wisdom from a milkmaid: having caught cowpox from a cow, she believed herself, and her smooth skin, safe from smallpox.

Cowpox is an uncommon illness in cattle, usually mild, that can be spread from a cow to humans via sores on the cow. During an infection, dairy workers may have pustules on their hands. Sufferers can spread the infection to other parts of the body.

We know now that the cowpox virus belongs to the Orthopox family of viruses. Orthopox viruses also include horsepox virus, monkeypox virus and variola viruses, which cause smallpox.
https://www.historyofvaccines.org/conte ... -infection

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The term vaccine derives from the Latin word for cow
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But, what about hydroxychloroquine??!!??

FDA withdraws emergency approval.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5 ... hloroquine
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The flash of light you saw in the sky was not a UFO. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus.
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They are doing some testing in Japan for antibodies. Looks like herd immunity still remains a long way off, but whatever measures are being taken to contain the spread seem to be working..

Tokyo has 0.1% positive rate for coronavirus antibodies: gov't
Antibody tests for the novel coronavirus suggest a 0.1 percent infection rate in Tokyo, health minister Katsunobu Kato said Tuesday, as the government seeks to better grasp the scale of the pandemic's spread in Japan.

The health ministry earlier this month began testing for coronavirus antibodies in Tokyo as well as in Osaka and Miyagi prefectures. The positive rates for Osaka and Miyagi in the country's west and northeast were 0.17 percent and 0.03 percent, respectively.

Samples were collected from a total of about 8,000 people in the three regions. The presence of antibodies indicates a person has been infected with the virus, regardless of whether the person developed symptoms.

The results show only a very limited spread of the virus and, while different testing kits can yield different results, they compare with positive rates of some 20 percent detected in antibody tests in New York City and 5 percent in Spain.

But the figures are still notably higher than the 0.015 percent infection rate based on the 18,261 people confirmed to have caught the virus in Japan as of Monday out of the country's total population of roughly 125.9 million.


A rough estimate of course, but at face value it suggests there may have been something on the order of 7 times more cases than were captured in the official count of confirmed cases. But about 99.9% of the population has not had the virus yet.
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Pyrrho wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:39 am twitter.com/angie_rasmussen
Worth noting that it wasn't a release by press, but a release by UK's Chief Medical Officer.

I pick it being sufficiently important factual news to be released as a general release than in a medical journal.
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SURE it does.

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Wouldn’t antibody testing be required if anyone does a vaccine trial?
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I just recalled the HIV vaccine trial they were going to do back in the late 90s

Except they wanted to try it on chimps first, using a SIV vaccine (SIV being almost the exact same virus)

They had spent a lot of money getting enough chimps to do a big study. Before starting the experiment they tested all the chimps to make sure they didn’t have SIV

Turned out every chimp tested already had SIV

That was the last I heard of that study. Seems every chimp in captivity has SIV, which was interesting, considering how often and how many times in the old days medical people used chimps, baboons and monkeys to transplant organs into people

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And yeah, I already know about SV40 and how it got into the general human population
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rt.live has updated their model as of June 19th, and it shows significantly higher rates of reproduction than the last time I looked at it.

https://rt.live/

Worth a look.
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robinson wrote: Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:31 am how often and how many times in the old days medical people used chimps, baboons and monkeys to transplant organs into people
Good question: how often? Do you have sources?
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Mostly print, but most people remember the baby with the baboon heart

And the infamous chimp kidney transplant disaster

Well, OK probably only really old people like me
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