Wuhan Flu Truth and Big Brother Narratives

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Parents Can’t Wait Around Forever

So evidence seems to support reopening schools.
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Antibody tests may not tell the whole story:

Coronavirus: Immunity may be more widespread than tests suggest (BBC)
For every person testing positive for antibodies, two were found to have specific T-cells which identify and destroy infected cells.

This was seen even in people who had mild or symptomless cases of Covid-19.
. . .

This could mean a wider group have some level of immunity to Covid-19 than antibody testing figures, like those published as part of the UK Office for National Statistics Infection Survey, suggest.
. . .

Prof Danny Altmann at Imperial College London described the study as "robust, impressive and thorough" and said it added to a growing body of evidence that "antibody testing alone underestimates immunity".
I'm not sure what it all means, but the human immune system is more complicated than just "antibodies". There are T-cells and others that are involved, so maybe antibodies aren't strictly necessary?
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https://www.fastcompany.com/90519909/co ... -projected
Countries where everyone wore masks saw COVID death rates 100 times lower than projected
Now that there is global data about where COVID is spreading, scientists can see the various factors that help mitigate its spread. The simplest and most effective: masks.
OK. Grain of salt maybe but there does seem to be a huge difference between countries where people wore masks from the start and those who didn't.
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They told us not to. They told us it wouldn't help in the least and may even make things worse. They outright lied. Knowingly. Blatantly. Flagrantly. Glaringly. Obviously. Overtly. Transparently. Audaciously, unblushingly, brazenly and presumably unashamedly.

Yes, I know why. I do not forgive them.

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Governments lie

Everybody lies


That most people don’t know this, it makes a skeptic want to weep
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From March 8th. Interview with 60 min. Very short.


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Too bad youtube (or CBS) won't let me watch that in Japan, but does he tell people to not wear masks?
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Yes. That is exactly what he says. And he hand waves (literally) away all the arguments for them as "just making you "feel" (literal quote marks with his fingers) safe by thinking they're "perfect" (literal quote marks) protection. "Oh sure, it's fine for people in Japan and Asia for "them" (literal quote marks)

He should be horsewhipped. And the 60 minutes reporter knew he was lying and should have kicked him right in the nuts. It's worth logging in to a vpn to see it.
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I could chance getting dinged for copyright and put that shit on Twitter
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Clearly this lie means that we should join the Republican revolt against the liberal COVID narrative he is responsible for, and refuse to wear masks.

(not directed at anyone here, there's just a certain discontinuity in some rhetoric around this)
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Interesting
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Masks are mandatory in Cleveland. County bosses are likely to follow suit:

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/loc ... -in-public
Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson signed an order Friday that requires citizens to wear masks or face coverings throughout the city, and Cuyahoga County Executive Armond Budish announced his intent to bring legislation to Cuyahoga County Council next week mandating the use of masks across the county’s public spaces in an effort to mitigate the increasing spread of COVID-19. .

The order in Cleveland, effective immediately, requires all individuals out in public to wear a mask or face covering, including at restaurants and other businesses.

The city of Cleveland will submit legislation to issue fines for violators of the order. If passes the fines will include:

Employees of a business who fail to wear a mask will be issued a $50 citation. Customers and guests who fail to wear masks will be issued a $25 citation.

Businesses that fail to facilitate social distancing will be fined $3,000 for the first instance and $5,000 for each subsequent violation. Businesses that fail to follow capacity orders will be fined $3,000 for the first violation and $5,000 for each additional violation.

Residents who hold gatherings of 10 or more people and do not wear masks will be issued a $150 citation for the first incident and $300 for each additional incident.

Individuals who do not wear a mask inside ride-sharing vehicles will be issued a $50 fine.
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Pyrrho wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:05 am
Masks are mandatory in Cleveland. County bosses are likely to follow suit:
The order in Cleveland, effective immediately, requires all individuals out in public to wear a mask or face covering, including at restaurants and other businesses.
Can't eat with a mask. :?

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Witness wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:10 am
Can't eat with a mask. :?
Last Saturday (first Saturday after they allowed the restaurants to reopen in Illinois), I ate in a restaurant where the staff were all wearing masks.

Whereas in my slightly earlier foray to Wisconsin (detailed elsewhere), restaurant staff were wearing face shields but not masks.
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The order specifically says "all individuals out in public".

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Here's the actual order:

https://clecityhall.files.wordpress.com ... 3.2020.pdf

The specifics, and do not get me started on the atrocious syntax:
Therefore, effective July 3rd, I am declaring the following:

1. Mandatory masks for all individuals out in public or in public spaces including businesses, restaurants etc.

2. Maximum capacity at any bar, restaurant, entertainment venue cannot exceed 50% of allowable capacity and must comply with social distancing standards.

3. Any establishment that upon 2 incidents of violating maximum capacity order will be ordered to shut down.

4. Mass Gathering Orders are still in effect. If incidents of more than 10 persons are gathered not wearing masks, enforcement actions will be taken.

5. If an establishment has an employee or a patron, who has tested positive for Covid-19, then the establishment must be sanitized to the standards of the Cleveland Health Department, failure to demonstrate such sanitization will result in the facility being shut down.

6. People should not gather during the holiday, except within the social distancing and mass gathering mandates, and shall wear masks and wash their hands often.
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