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robinson wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:57 am ... the 1968 Pandemic was called the Hong Kong Flu (killed over a million in 5 months)
Those who don't even know the past, are fucking morons.
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FDA has approved an antiviral medication remdesivir for COVID-19.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/fda ... id-19-drug
The drug, which California-based Gilead Sciences Inc. is calling Veklury, cut the time to recovery by five days — from 15 days to 10 on average — in a large study led by the U.S. National Institutes of Health.

It had been authorized for use on an emergency basis since spring, and now becomes the first drug to win full Food and Drug Administration approval for treating COVID-19. President Donald Trump received it when he was sickened earlier this month.

Veklury is approved for people at least 12 years old and weighing at least 88 pounds (40 kilograms) who need hospitalization for their coronavirus infection. For patients younger than 12, the FDA will still allow the drug’s use in certain cases under its previous emergency authorization.
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17 DAYS

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Wales is heading into a 17-day lockdown on Friday evening, as many parts of Europe reimpose safety measures because of rising coronavirus case counts.
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"We know that if we do not act now, it will continue to accelerate and there is a very real risk that our NHS will be overwhelmed," said Welsh First Minister Mark Drakeford, referring to the need to protect the National Health Service.
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Gates-funded UW study shows hydroxychloroquine doesn’t prevent COVID-19

A large clinical trial conducted by the University of Washington found that people who took hydroxychloroquine were just as likely to get COVID-19 as those who took a placebo, adding to growing evidence that the drug promoted by President Donald Trump early in the pandemic doesn’t seem to work against the novel coronavirus.

Nearly 800 people from 38 states volunteered for the trial, which was funded with $9.5 million from the COVID-19 Therapeutics Accelerator, a research fund created by The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, the British philanthropy Wellcome, and others.

The goal was to find out whether hydroxychloroquine could protect people who had been exposed to the virus from getting infected and sick. Participants all had a family member or close contact who had tested positive for the virus, and were randomly assigned to get either a daily pill of hydroxychloroquine or placebo over a 14-day period. The volunteers swabbed their noses every day and sent the specimens to a lab for analysis.

Among the group receiving hydroxychloroquine, 46 people became infected with the novel coronavirus. There were 43 infections in the placebo group. The difference wasn’t statistically significant, indicating the drug had no protective effect, said Dr. Ruanne Barnabas, the UW Medicine physician and researcher who led the project.

The study also found no evidence that people who got hydroxychloroquine were less likely to develop symptoms when infected.

“I think this finding is consistent with the other randomized, controlled trials … that hydroxychloroquine, based on the strong evidence we have to date, does not have a clinically significant impact on acquisition of (the novel coronavirus) or treatment of COVID-19,” Barnabas said.

Previous randomized controlled trials have found that the drug, originally used to treat malaria, didn’t reduce death rates or odds of needing mechanical ventilation in patients hospitalized with COVID-19. Nor did it provide any benefit for people with mild infections who took the drug early in the course of the disease. Hydroxychloroquine also did not prevent infection when taken prophylactically by health care workers and other first responders before they were exposed to the virus.

Both the World Health Organization and the U.S. National Institutes of Health suspended clinical trials on the drug because of the mounting evidence against its usefulness.
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Pyrrho wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:46 pm 17 DAYS

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... ases-spike
Wales is heading into a 17-day lockdown on Friday evening, as many parts of Europe reimpose safety measures because of rising coronavirus case counts.
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"We know that if we do not act now, it will continue to accelerate and there is a very real risk that our NHS will be overwhelmed," said Welsh First Minister Mark Drakeford, referring to the need to protect the National Health Service.
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https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2771761
Of the 225 530 excess deaths, 150 541 (67%) were attributed to COVID-19. Joinpoint analyses revealed an increase in deaths attributed to causes other than COVID-19, with 2 reaching statistical significance. US mortality rates for heart disease increased between weeks ending March 21 and April 11 (APC, 5.1 [95% CI, 0.2-10.2]), driven by the spring surge in COVID-19 cases. Mortality rates for Alzheimer disease/dementia increased twice, between weeks ending March 21 and April 11 (APC, 7.3 [95% CI, 2.9-11.8]) and between weeks ending June 6 and July 25 (APC, 1.5 [95% CI, 0.8-2.3]), the latter coinciding with the summer surge in sunbelt states.
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Local suburb is hosting a series of presentations about the virus at their town hall, free flu shots, masks required, social distancing required. Sure, gather a bunch of old people in a meeting room, with coffee and refreshments, during a pandemic, in a county that is on the verge of "going purple" because of the high number of cases. What could go wrong?
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Pfizer reporting very good preliminary results from Phase 3 vaccine trials, indicating 90% efficacy. More analyses to be done but it's looking good, looking real good. We shall see.
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How long does the immunity last? Can one still be infectious?
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Those questions take much longer to try and get an answer
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In about 18 months, give or take.
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A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool.
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One can know a vaccine works, long before it can be known if there are dangerous side effects to come later
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Yes, that's why clinical trials take as much time as they do, and why there are requirements for "post-marketing surveillance".
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Pyrrho wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:02 pm In about 18 months, give or take.
So what is the point?
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ed wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:04 am
Pyrrho wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:02 pm In about 18 months, give or take.
So what is the point?
That would be at the end of the needle.
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lol
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Pyrrho wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:02 am Yes, that's why clinical trials take as much time as they do, and why there are requirements for "post-marketing surveillance".
In Russia vaccine tests you.
Russia's Sputnik V vaccine also over 90% effective: health ministry

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia’s Sputnik V vaccine against COVID-19 is more than 90% effective, a representative of the health ministry said on Monday, citing data collated from vaccinations of the public rather than from an ongoing trial.

The comments followed a statement earlier on Monday by vaccine developers Pfizer Inc and BioNTech BNTX.O, who said their experimental COVID-19 vaccine was more than 90% effective.

“We are responsible for monitoring the effectiveness of the Sputnik V vaccine among citizens who have received it as part of the mass vaccination programme,” Oksana Drapkina, director of a research institute under the health ministry, said in a statement.

“Based on our observations, its effectiveness is also more than 90%. The appearance of another effective vaccine - this is good news for everyone,” Drapkina said.

Russia is rolling out the vaccine for domestic use despite the fact that late-stage trials have not yet finished.
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Reality has a way of indulging itself in unexpected ways. Clinical trials usually take much longer than this. Best we can do now is to avoid infection as much as we can. A vaccine may or may not work as advertised.
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Judge orders Trump administration to reveal PPP loan data it sought to obscure

A federal judge said the SBA’s claim that the size of a loan would reveal a company’s payroll was “fundamentally flawed.”

A federal judge on Thursday ordered the Small Business Administration to release details on coronavirus pandemic-related loans that would disclose information on businesses that benefited from $717 billion in federally backed borrowings.

The judge ordered the agency to disclose all the names, addresses and precise loan amounts issued through the Paycheck Protection Program and Emergency Injury Disaster Loan program. The decision comes after a lawsuit was filed by a dozen news organizations, charging that the agency was not fulfilling its obligations under the Freedom of Information Act.

The SBA had previously released only summarized and anonymized data for PPP loans under $150,000 — which account for about 4.5 million of the 5.2 million in total loans made — claiming they would violate borrowers’ privacy by revealing the size of their payroll.

When the SBA denied the FOIA requests by news agencies, it argued that releasing government loan information would reveal business and personal information that should be kept private.

Federal Judge James Boasberg rejected those claims, saying in his ruling that, “the significant public interest in shedding light on SBA’s administration of the PPP and EIDL program dramatically outweighs any limited private interest in nondisclosure.” The judge discounted the SBA’s claim that the size of a loan would reveal a company’s payroll, calling the assertion “fundamentally flawed.”

He noted “the PPP loan application expressly notified potential borrowers — admittedly in a form disclaimer — that their names and loan amounts would be ’automatically released’ upon a FOIA request,” and criticized the agency for offering “a series of arguments that essentially all reduce to the unavailing contention that the agency did not mean what the loan-application forms actually said.”
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Meanwhile the clinical trial of another vaccine candidate has been halted due to an adverse event.

Covid: China Sinovac vaccine trial halted in Brazil
The Brazilian clinical trial for a high-profile Chinese Covid-19 vaccine has been suspended after health authorities reported a "severe adverse" incident.

Brazilian health regulator Anvisa said it took place on 29 October, but did not give further details.

The Sinovac vaccine is one of several vaccines in final-stage testing.

But China has already been using it to immunise thousands of people in an emergency use programme.

There was no immediate response from Sinovac.

On Monday Anvisa said it had "ruled to interrupt the clinical trial of the CoronaVac vaccine after a serious adverse incident".

It did not reveal what happened, nor where it took place. Late-stage trials for the Sinovac vaccine are also being conducted in Indonesia and Turkey, but neither of these countries have announced a suspension.

Dimas Covas, the head of Butantan, the medical research institute conducting the Brazilian trial, told local media that the trial's suspension was related to a death.

But he insisted that the death was not related to the vaccine, reported Reuters news agency.

Butantan has said it would hold a news conference on Tuesday at 11am local time (1400 GMT).
Mysterious. It is being claimed that the trial's suspension was related to a death, but that the death was not related to the vaccine. That makes little sense to me. Unless there's a possibility that the death was related to the vaccine.
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Hard to tell without specifics. In trials you are looking for adverse effects you do not expect as well as whether or not some expected adverse effects are serious. People can get sick and die as in any population.

The quick judgment of "not related to the vaccine" seems to mean that it was not an allergic reaction. Why one death would cause such a panic suggests that they do not know why the person died.

Another possibility is simple fear of bad publicity.

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I told ya not everyone plays by the same rules
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Of course the US did the same thing with a swine flu vaccine
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Dr. John has some comments on the vaccine news. He thinks it looks promising.



Out of about 43,000-odd participants, half were given the vaccine and half were given a placebo.
Of those, 94 later tested positive for the virus, and 90% of those were from the placebo group. Hence, there was a significant protective effect in the vaccinated group versus the placebo. Further, no serious safety concerns were observed.
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https://www.ideastream.org/news/skyrock ... ng-records
Daily COVID-19 cases shattered a new record high in Ohio Friday, with more than 8,000 cases reported over the last 24 hours, according to state health officials.

Cases are also skyrocketing in Cuyahoga County, with more than 500 new cases reported Friday, the highest number of cases ever reported in a single day in the county, Health Commissioner Terry Allan said in a press conference on Friday with county officials.

"We are now in a very slippery slope," he said.

Hospitalizations and intensive care unit (ICU) admissions are also increasing, said Jana Rush, the county’s director of epidemiology.

Area hospitals are reporting an increase in emergency room visits, and some facilities have postponed nonessential surgeries as a precaution to ensure enough beds and staff are available, Allan said.
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https://apnews.com/article/iowa-south-d ... fa764dfab2
Danny Rice has a good sense of how dangerous the coronavirus can be.

What puzzles him are the people who have curtailed so much of their lives to avoid being infected by the virus.

“I’m not going out and looking to catch it,” he said, sitting at a cluttered desk in his auto repair shop in the tiny eastern Nebraska community of Elmwood. “I don’t want to catch it. But if I get it, I get it. That’s just how I feel.”

Plenty of people agree with Rice, and health experts acknowledge those views are powering soaring COVID-19 infection rates, especially in parts of the rural Midwest where the disease is spreading unabated and threatening to overwhelm hospitals.
The corollary is that folks like Danny "feel" the same way if you catch it.
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Hey, here's an idea. Dictate a half ass quarantine to slow the curve, so by the time the cold season arrives, most people will still be at risk. Then do the same stupid shit that didn't stop the spread, and cry a river of tears and blame everybody but the authorities, the rioters and the morons who came up with a plan that doesn't work

Then when shit gets bad, use it as a reason to remove all civil liberties.

Oh, and try and put off vaccination as long as possible, until you are sure Trump is gone.
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Let me know how that works out.
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The biggest errors the Trump administration made in response to COVID

New research from the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health details the U.S. government’s egregious mishandling of the COVID-19 pandemic, identifies a powerful predictor of COVID-19 deaths, and suggests responses that could still alleviate the pandemic’s damage.

The study’s damning conclusion: “The evidence suggests that ineffective national policies and responses, especially as compared to those of other wealthy nations or compared to the intricate preparation and planning by previous administrations of both parties, have been driving the terrible toll of COVID-19 and its inequities in the U.S.”

The costliest errors were committed in the pandemic’s earliest stages, the study finds. The Trump administration’s initial U.S. travel ban on Jan. 31 applied only to non-U.S. travelers and only to travelers coming from China, though the virus was “already known to be present in Italy, Iran, Spain, Germany, Finland, and the United Kingdom.” No symptom screening on arrival was required, nor was quarantining. Later research “found repeatedly” that “the great majority” of the virus introductions to the U.S. came not from China but from European strains.
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Several other countries handled the pandemic far more effectively. For example, Australia closed its borders to all non-Australian citizens on March 15, when only 300 cases had been reported, and mandated “14-day, supervised quarantine in a hotel for all international arrivals (including Australian citizens)” plus “aggressive testing and contact tracing.” As of Nov. 12, Australia had recorded 36 COVID-19 deaths per million vs. 773 COVID-19 deaths per million in the U.S., says the Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center. “This is the difference between establishing effective national border policies and failing to do so,” the researchers say.

Those blunders can’t be corrected, but others can be. The study identifies three workplace policy mistakes that could still be remedied at any time. [Details left out.]
  • Failure to use federal authority and budget to supply PPE.
  • Failure to require “mandatory universal paid sick leave for those unable to work due to COVID-19.”
  • Failure to mandate “standards for occupational exposures.”
Though the study is discouraging, the researchers find reason for hope: “Despite the understandable dismay at the state of the pandemic in the United States, it is not too late to make a difference, and that difference starts with the implementation of apt policies.”
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Not stopping travel was, and is, the big mistake
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Danish mask study shows masks do literally nothing to protect from COVID-19




Press release says wear masks, they work
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Hmm. They have forced people to stop smoking indoors. And raised the smoking age recently. Not sure that's a great example.

Another consideration is that hospitals aren't having to consider rationing care because they are flooded with smoking-related cases.
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