## Wuhan Flu Truth and Big Brother Narratives

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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 20139857v1

Background
After recovery from COVID-19, most patients have anti-SARS-CoV-2 neutralizing antibodies. Their convalescent plasma could be an inexpensive and widely available treatment for COVID-19.

Methods
The Convalescent-plasma-for-COVID (ConCOVID) study was a randomized trial comparing convalescent plasma with standard of care therapy in patients hospitalized for COVID-19 in the Netherlands. Patients were randomized 1:1 and received 300ml of plasma with anti-SARS-CoV-2 neutralizing antibody titers of at least 1:80. The primary endpoint was day-60 mortality and key secondary endpoints were hospital stay and WHO 8-point disease severity scale improvement on day 15.

Results
The trial was halted prematurely after 86 patients were enrolled. Although symptomatic for only 10 days (IQR 6-15) at the time of inclusion, 53 of 66 patients tested had anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies at baseline. A SARS-CoV-2 plaque reduction neutralization test showed neutralizing antibodies in 44 of the 56 (79%) patients tested with median titers comparable to the 115 donors (1:160 vs 1:160, p=0.40). These observations caused concerns about the potential benefit of convalescent plasma in the study population and after discussion with the data safety monitoring board, the study was discontinued. No difference in mortality (p=0.95), hospital stay (p=0.68) or day-15 disease severity (p=0.58) was observed between plasma treated patients and patients on standard of care.

Conclusion
Most COVID-19 patients already have high neutralizing antibody titers at hospital admission. Screening for antibodies and prioritizing convalescent plasma to risk groups with recent symptom onset will be key to identify patients that may benefit from convalescent plasma.
oh really?

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"The trial was halted prematurely after 86 patients were enrolled. Although symptomatic for only 10 days (IQR 6-15) at the time of inclusion, 53 of 66 patients tested had anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies at baseline."

That sounds like good news.
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You can't trust everything you read in a medical journal
oh really?

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"A SARS-CoV-2 plaque reduction neutralization test showed neutralizing antibodies in 44 of the 56 (79%) patients tested with median titers comparable to the 115 donors (1:160 vs 1:160, p=0.40). These observations caused concerns about the potential benefit of convalescent plasma in the study population and after discussion with the data safety monitoring board, the study was discontinued. "

It would seem the SARS-CoV-2 plaque reduction neutralization test would be a very helpful tool about now. If it actually shows neutralizing antibodies, that would be huge
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The entire narrative about infectious virus is so fucked up
oh really?

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This Toronto group called M.A.D. (Mothers Against Distancing) rode the subway maskless today in “protest”

https://old.reddit.com/r/onguardforthee ... s_against/

A quote from their website:
There is more and more evidence coming forward that COVID-19 will not have the effect on our children that the politicians and the mainstream media would have you believe. We are a group of medical professionals and teachers all equipped with the truth, and all wanting to focus on the mental and physical health of our future generations.
They are on facebook also, sounding like anti-vaxxers.

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I am hoping that when I get it I won't get severe illness. Getting it seems to be inevitable.
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Pyrrho wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:25 am
I am hoping that when I get it I won't get severe illness. Getting it seems to be inevitable.
I'd say it's possible to reduce one's chances by a wide margin. No close contact and wearing a decent mask correctly should keep you safe outside of your house.

The problem is someone in your household getting it first.
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oh really?

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Pyrrho wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:25 am
I am hoping that when I get it I won't get severe illness. Getting it seems to be inevitable.

For the rest of your life because anything you touch, any exhalation on your clothing any pocket of air is a risk.

Enjoy.

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Yep, there are two states, risk and no risk. No need for any kind of evaluation or risk management process.
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From Scientific American:

Mounting Evidence Suggests Coronavirus Is Airborne—but Health Advice Has Not Caught Up
(July 8, 2020)
After months of denying the importance of aerosol transmission of SARS-CoV-2, the World Health Organization is reconsidering its stance​
In Lidia Morawska’s home city of Brisbane on Australia’s east coast, roadside signs broadcast a simple message: ‘Wash hands, save lives.’ She has no problem with that: “Hand washing is always a good measure,” says the aerosol scientist, who works at the Queensland University of Technology. But the sign might be outdated.

Converging lines of evidence indicate that SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic, can pass from person to person in tiny droplets called aerosols that waft through the air and accumulate over time. After months of debate about whether people can transmit the virus through exhaled air, there is growing concern among scientists about this transmission route.

This week, Morawska and aerosol scientist Donald Milton at the University of Maryland, College Park, supported by an international group of 237 other clinicians, infectious-disease physicians, epidemiologists, engineers and aerosol scientists, published a commentary in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases that urges the medical community and public-health authorities to acknowledge the potential for airborne transmission. They also call for preventive measures to reduce this type of risk.

The researchers are frustrated that key agencies, such as the World Health Organization (WHO), haven’t been heeding their advice in their public messages.

In response to the commentary, the WHO has softened its position, saying in a press conference on July 7 that it will issue new guidelines about transmission in settings with close contact and poor ventilation. “We have to be open to this evidence and understand its implications regarding the modes of transmission, and also regarding the precautions that need to be taken,” said Benedetta Allegranzi, technical leader of the WHO task force on infection control.

Morawska is “really pleased, relieved, and amazed”, by the WHO’s statement.

For months, the WHO has steadfastly pushed back against the idea that there is a significant threat of the coronavirus being transmitted by aerosols that can accumulate in poorly ventilated venues and be carried on air currents. The agency has maintained that the virus is spread mainly by contaminated surfaces and by droplets bigger than aerosols that are generated by coughing, sneezing and talking. These are thought to travel relatively short distances and drop quickly from the air.

This type of guidance has hampered efforts that could prevent airborne transmission, such as measures that improve ventilation of indoor spaces and limits on indoor gatherings, say the researchers in the commentary: “We are concerned that the lack of recognition of the risk of airborne transmission of COVID-19 and the lack of clear recommendations on the control measures against the airborne virus will have significant consequences: people may think that they are fully protected by adhering to the current recommendations, but in fact, additional airborne interventions are needed for further reduction of infection risk.”

This is particularly important now, as government-mandated lockdowns ease and businesses reopen. “To control [the pandemic], we need to control all the means of infection,” says Morawska, who first contacted the WHO with her concerns and published a summary of the evidence in early April.

But this conclusion is not popular with some experts because it goes against decades of thinking about respiratory infections. Since the 1930s, public-health researchers and officials have generally discounted the importance of aerosols — droplets less than 5 micrometres in diameter — in respiratory diseases such as influenza. Instead, the dominant view is that respiratory viruses are transmitted by the larger droplets or through contact with droplets that fall on surfaces or are transferred by people’s hands. When SARS-CoV-2 emerged at the end of 2019, the assumption was that it spread in the same way as other respiratory viruses and that airborne transmission was not important.

The WHO is following the available evidence, and has moderated its earlier opposition to the idea that the virus might spread through aerosols, according to Allegranzi. She says that although the WHO acknowledges that airborne transmission is plausible, current evidence falls short of proving the case. She adds that recommendations for physical distancing, quarantine and wearing masks in the community are likely go some way towards controlling aerosol transmission if it is occurring.
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A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool.
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Cuyahoga County is approaching a Level 4 public health emergency under Ohio’s Public Health Advisory System, which would indicate “severe exposure and spread” of COVID-19.

Under a Level 4 advisory, residents would be asked to only leave home for supplies and essential services.
Stayin' home here, Boss!
Who Will Enforce The Mask Mandate?
Questions remain regarding which agencies have the authority to enforce mask mandates.

Gov. Mike DeWine has pointed to local agencies like county and city health departments to handle enforcement but also said local police may need to step in.

A violation of the state’s order is a second-degree misdemeanor, punishable by up to 90 days in jail and a $750 fine, Budish said. Cuyahoga County officials will rely primarily on citizens filing complaints via an online form or through a new hotline at 216-698-5050, Budish said. They may need a bit more coordination and organization as well as specific legal guidance. People can also call their local city hall or police departments, he said. Two police departments in the county, Bedford and Berea, recently posted on Facebook asking residents not to call the police to report mask mandate violations. “We didn’t want our dispatch center to get tied up with mask complaints when it’s not us that enforces that,” said Rick Suts, deputy chief of the Bedford Police Department. “It is our hope that everyone can find common ground and not require any police involvement.” Both agencies wrote on the social media site they can, however, enforce trespassing violations if a resident not wearing a mask refuses to leave a business. The City of Cleveland issued its own mask mandate July 6, separate from the county. City officials said in an email they plan to decide “punitive actions for noncompliance” in a meeting next week. They also said the city’s health department and police are tasked with enforcing Cleveland’s mandate. The flash of light you saw in the sky was not a UFO. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus. Pyrrho Posts: 29907 Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2004 2:17 am Title: Man in Black Location: Division 6 ### Re: Wuhan Flu Truth and Big Brother Narratives https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/richard- ... avirus/amp Richard Rose passed away on July 4 from complications of COVID-19, just a few days after he tested positive for the coronavirus. Now posts are going viral online that show him saying he didn’t believe in wearing masks back in April. Heavy has confirmed that those posts are indeed authentic. In mid-June, he posted about attending a crowded outdoor public pool, and later said that he thought he may have caught coronavirus there. Many people who knew and loved Rose have posted tributes to him, including a paranormal group where he was well known, and funds are being collected for his funeral costs. The flash of light you saw in the sky was not a UFO. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus. robinson Posts: 8587 Joined: Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:01 am Title: Sweetheart Location: USA ### Re: Wuhan Flu Truth and Big Brother Narratives Holy shit fuck 2006 paper oh really? Pyrrho Posts: 29907 Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2004 2:17 am Title: Man in Black Location: Division 6 ### Re: Wuhan Flu Truth and Big Brother Narratives I'm told that not inhaling is the best defense. The flash of light you saw in the sky was not a UFO. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus. Jimmy the Gent Posts: 190 Joined: Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:48 pm Title: Goodfella ### Re: Wuhan Flu Truth and Big Brother Narratives https://consequenceofsound.net/2020/07/ ... ronavirus/ Robert De Niro Says He’s Going Broke Due to Coronavirus "He is going to be lucky if he makes$7.5 million this year" claims his lawyer
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Just because I'm such a nice guy and poor old De Niro (whose work has given me so much pleasure) is having such a bad year, I'll swap this year's incomes with him.
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