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Trump Administration Strips C.D.C. of Control of Coronavirus Data

Hospitals have been ordered to bypass the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and send all patient information to a central database in Washington, raising questions about transparency.

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration has ordered hospitals to bypass the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and send all Covid-19 patient information to a central database in Washington beginning on Wednesday. The move has alarmed health experts who fear the data will be politicized or withheld from the public.

The new instructions were posted recently in a little-noticed document on the Department of Health and Human Services website. From now on, the department — not the C.D.C. — will collect daily reports about the patients that each hospital is treating, the number of available beds and ventilators, and other information vital to tracking the pandemic.

Officials say the change will streamline data gathering and assist the White House coronavirus task force in allocating scarce supplies like personal protective gear and remdesivir, the first drug shown to be effective against the virus. But the Health and Human Services database that will receive new information is not open to the public, which could affect the work of scores of researchers, modelers and health officials who rely on C.D.C. data to make projections and crucial decisions.

“Historically, C.D.C. has been the place where public health data has been sent, and this raises questions about not just access for researchers but access for reporters, access for the public to try to better understand what is happening with the outbreak," said Jen Kates, the director of global health and H.I.V. policy with the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation.

“How will the data be protected?” she asked. “Will there be transparency, will there be access, and what is the role of the C.D.C. in understanding the data?”
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Wow.
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https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/con ... ildren.pdf
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This report is a comparison between Finland and Sweden, two in many ways similar countries who applied different measures regarding schools during the covid-19 pandemic. There is no difference in the overall incidence of the laboratory confirmed covid-19 cases in the age group 1-19 years in the two countries and the number of laboratory confirmed cases does not fluctuate with school closure or change in testing policy in Finland. In Sweden, the number of laboratory confirmed cases is affected by change in testing policy. Severe covid-19 disease as measured in ICU admittance is very rare in both countries in this age group and no deaths were reported. Outbreak investigations in Finland has not shown children to be contributing much in terms of transmission and in Sweden a report comparing risk of covid-19 in different professions, showed no increased risk for teachers.
In conclusion, closure or not of schools had no measurable direct impact on the number of laboratory confirmed cases in school-aged children in Finland or Sweden. The negative effects of closing schools must be weighed against the positive indirect effects it might have on the mitigation of the covid-19 pandemic.
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↑ One hears various things:
Israeli Data Show School Openings Were a Disaster That Wiped Out Lockdown Gains

Of 1,400 Israelis diagnosed with COVID-19 last month, 657 (47 percent) were infected in schools. Now 2,026 students, teachers, and staff have it, and 28,147 are quarantined.

JERUSALEM—Israel’s unchecked resurgence of COVID-19 was propelled by the abrupt May 17 decision to reopen all schools, medical and public-health officials have told The Daily Beast.

The assessment of Israel’s trajectory has direct bearing on the heated debate underway in the United States between President Donald Trump, who is demanding a nationwide reopening of schools for what appear to be largely political reasons, and health authorities who caution it could put the wider population at risk.

Importantly, on May 17 in Israel it appeared the virus not only was under control, but defeated. Israel reported only 10 new cases of COVID-19 in the entire country that day. In the U.S., the debate often is about reopening schools where the disease is not only not in decline, but surging.

On Sunday, for instance, U.S. Education Secretary Betsy DeVos told Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday, “There’s nothing in the data that suggests that kids being in school is in any way dangerous.” But that is not the case in Israel, where the data from June, the last month for which there is a full set of statistics, appear all too clear.

The road from anti-coronavirus paradigm to rampant infection in this country of 9 million people followed two months of almost total lockdown. May 17 also was the day Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his former rival Benny Gantz swore in their “corona emergency government,” whose sole declared purpose is to fight the spread of the virus. Netanyahu’s decree that the nation’s entire school system would reopen was a political flourish to signal everything was under control.

The announcement followed a more cautious experiment of several weeks in which only children in the first, second, and third grades were brought back to classrooms, and taught in small, non-intersecting groups called “capsules.”

Hagai Levine, an epidemiologist at the Braun School of Public Health and Community Medicine of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, and chairman of the Israeli Association of Public Health Physicians, said: “There was no measurable increase in contagion” while the capsules for young children were being tried out.

The association even offered the government an investigation into school-based infections of COVID-19, but was turned down.

Then, Levine says, “contrary to our advice, the government decided to open the entire system all at once on May 17. What happened next was entirely predictable.”

On June 3, two weeks after schools opened, more than 244 students and staff were found to test positive for COVID-19.

According to the education ministry, 2,026 students, teachers, and staff have contracted COVID-19, and 28,147 are in quarantine due to possible contagion.
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Israel...you eeeeeeeeeeediot!
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If masks worked they wouldn’t have to release dangerous prisoners
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Point being?

Actually that demonstration with the smoke seems to show it works pretty well.
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robinson wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:58 am If masks worked they wouldn’t have to release dangerous prisoners
Acting as though something is a lightswitch when it is a spectrum.
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Releasing the prisoners was already on the agenda, they were just looking for a plausible excuse.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53429506
Russian hackers are targeting organisations trying to develop a coronavirus vaccine, a group of national security services has warned.

The UK's National Cyber Security Centre (NCSC) said the hackers "almost certainly" operated as "part of Russian intelligence services".

It said the group used malware to try and steal information relating to Covid-19 vaccine development.

NCSC director of operations Paul Chichester said it was "despicable".

The warning was published by a group of security services:

the UK's NCSC
the Canadian Communication Security Establishment (CSE)
the United States Department for Homeland Security (DHS) Cyber-security Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA)
and the US National Security Agency (NSA)

The hackers are part of a group called APT29, also known as "the Dukes" or "Cozy Bear".

They exploited software flaws to get access to vulnerable computer systems, and used malware called WellMess and WellMail to upload and download files from infected machines.
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This same story is the case in three counties that I know of

Population 620,000

Deaths 21
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Abdul Alhazred wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:06 pm Releasing the prisoners was already on the agenda, they were just looking for a plausible excuse.
You say this sort of thing all the time, but I don't think it being applied during COVID-19 is an expression of pent up anti-prison agenda. I see it as a forced move that even leaders that love prisons would have found themselves doing as a pure emergency measure.
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Those death numbers are inflated

As in bullshit


Many were from other causes but listed as Covid
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Lockdown ended over 2 months ago
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robinson wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:14 pm Those death numbers are inflated

As in bullshit


Many were from other causes but listed as Covid
I hear this proposed, but I understand death reason reporting is not done on a simplistic basis, listing not only the proximate cause, but contributing factors and other detail. I haven't seen anything but anecdotes and speculation to say that deaths are being counted inappropriately on a large scale. A detailed procedure document following the data from death report to covid stats would be convincing.
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gnome wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:13 pm
Abdul Alhazred wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:06 pm Releasing the prisoners was already on the agenda, they were just looking for a plausible excuse.
You say this sort of thing all the time, but I don't think it being applied during COVID-19 is an expression of pent up anti-prison agenda. I see it as a forced move that even leaders that love prisons would have found themselves doing as a pure emergency measure.
Always with the presumption of good intentions. :roll:
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Not in this case. I think there was no room for intention to come into it, any more than questioning the intentions of evacuating a burning house once the fire began.

"They never wanted to live there in the first place," says AA.
"If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight! Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little bit more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it, and then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor. Then, he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on earth, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one. And from that day forward any time a bunch of animals are together in one place it's called a zoo! (Beat) Unless it's a farm!"
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