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Governor of Ohio Mike DeWine tested positive. 19 hours later they retested him and he tested negative.

False positive?

Importantly, they were different kinds of tests.

Ohio Gov. DeWine tests negative for COVID-19 hours after testing positive (Fox News)
"The PCR tests for the Governor, First Lady, and staff were run twice," the statement said. "They came back negative the first time and came back negative when they were run on a second diagnostic platform."

His office said the PCR test was different than the rapid antigen test administered earlier in the morning as part of the standard protocol required to meet with Trump.

"We will be working with the manufacturer to have a better understanding of how the discrepancy between these two tests could have occurred," the statement added.
How Accurate Are Virus Tests? Ohio Governor’s Results Show Positives and Negatives (New York Times)
With testing delays nationwide, experts are increasingly recommending a new type of rapid test that gives less accurate results. It is imperfect, but as one expert put it, “pretty good is a lot better than none.”
At issue are two types of coronavirus tests that are increasingly taking center stage as part of the virus response in the United States. As part of a screening by the White House, Mr. DeWine first received an antigen test, a newer type of test that provides faster results but is less accurate than traditional laboratory testing. He was later tested using a more standard procedure known as polymerase chain reaction, or P.C.R., an accurate but time-intensive method that requires samples to be processed at a laboratory.
Experts say results are needed within 24 to 48 hours to effectively quarantine and contact trace. In the United States, turnaround times are often stretching three to five days, or more.
PCR tests, while more accurate than the antigen test, can take many days for the results to get back due to laboratory backlogs. In those days, waiting for the results, if the person isn't quarantined while awaiting the results, they could be out spreading the virus. So there is an advantage to learning the results quickly. The downside is less accuracy.

How accurate are the results?

All virus tests have the possibility of an inaccurate result. “It is just a fact of clinical testing,” said Dr. Miller, who recommended using common sense about the risk of exposure when evaluating unexpected results.

But antigen tests are generally less sensitive and less accurate than the traditional nasal swab, laboratory test. Interestingly, antigen tests are more likely to produce false negatives — missing someone who has the virus — than false positives, the opposite of what appears to have happened to Mr. DeWine.
the tests could produce false negative results between 15 and 20 percent of the time.
So false negatives, not just false positives, are an issue with these tests. And even the more reliable PCR tests are not necessarily 100% accurate.
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I sense some human buggery here: Any test that produces a false negative 15 to 20 percent of the time is not a test. It's a fucking failure to produce a test at all.

And when the stakes are so high individually and world-wide, we can't afford that kind of shit.

Test producers: Learn to enjoy the pressure and get your shit together. Otherwise your investors will feed you to the bears on Kodiak Island.
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Accuracy and precision require certain procedures that, in turn, require time, in terms of time to develop a high-accuracy test and time to test the sample from a person.

Given the urgency of the situation, it is understandable that fast-result tests are in use.
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Fast result tests could conceivably make the situation worse due to the inaccuracies. So, while we rush to feel safer and less afraid, we once again fuck ourselves.

Clever humans.

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It's not as if testing is being done on a national scale. Most of us won't ever get a test; we're pretty much on our own. Infection is a matter of when, not if. I can maybe delay that inevitability by continuing to stay home and only go to stores when absolutely necessary, practice safe hygiene, etc. I hope that when it does hit this household that nobody here gets a severe case of it, which appear to me to be a matter of lucky genetics.
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Agreed that testing is not being done on a national scale, but the day may come when world-wide testing is our best bet to check this damned thing. Agreed again that infection is a matter of when, not if. I hope too that when friends and acquaintances end up with it that its a mild thing as opposed to a wild thing. But I'd rather not have to resort to hoping. In the end I think we'll find that a few peeps are naturally immune: They won't be infected in spite of being exposed. Too early to know if that's the genetic situation or not, but if the current situation continues for say, another 3 to 5 years, I think we'll have the answer to that. Of course, we'll have effective vaccines before then. And a big shitload of idjits who refuse to take them.

C'est la vie. :)
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I know somebody who had C19, no doubt about, had 5 test, three were positive, two negative. This was while he actually was fighting the virus, actually no doubt had an infection from C19

There is no doubt about having it, since he regularly donates plasm so they can use his antibodies to treat others now


A test that doesn’t always work isn’t that great to use


If a test can’t actually determine if you have a virus, it’s sort of useless
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A useless noise from The Cornfield.
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https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/03/cov ... sparities/
As Covid-19 continues to strain the country’s hospital system, new research exposes a striking gap in access to ICU care from one community to the next.

The study, published Monday in Health Affairs, examined an area’s median household income compared to the number of ICU beds per 10,000 residents over 50 years old — the age cohort at greatest risk for Covid-19 hospitalization. Nearly half of the communities with a median income under $35,000 had no ICU beds at all in their ZIP code cluster, compared to only 3% of communities with a median income over $90,000.

The authors warn that the staggering scarcity of critical care services in low-income populations can exacerbate existing disparities seen in deaths due to Covid-19. Many low-income individuals are already at increased risk of infection because they are less likely to be able to work from home and may face more challenges in quarantining.

“What we find is that this low income population is going to be doubly or triply hit,” said Genevieve Kanter, an assistant professor at the University of Pennsylvania Perelman School of Medicine and the first author of the study.
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Has always been so. And we call this shit-show Democracy.
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Nurses report sending in blank swabs for C19 tests

They all came back positive


It could be fake reporting, but such a thing is easy enough to test
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The other test of the test would be to run the same persons mucus through 100 times to see if all the results are the same

Both a person with no possible virus, and somebody who for sure has it

Not doing this sort of testing is almost criminal
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Of course some somebody who just read that is thinking “ of course they do that!”

If so, please provide evidence to show it is so
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I would bet like in Europe, where stats are available, we will see a that it is from a huge drop in deaths for young people

Since accidents are the main cause of death in the young, the lockdowns and school closings has led to a drop in deaths from accidents
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From the annals of research that confirms everyone's stereotypes about the Japanese:

Japanese social conformity behind wearing of face masks amid pandemic
Conforming to social norms is the primary motive for Japanese people wearing face masks during the novel coronavirus pandemic, survey results recently showed, dismissing the oft-touted reason that wearers are putting them on to protect themselves and others.

A team of psychologists led by Kazuya Nakayachi, a Doshisha University professor, surveyed 1,000 people about the wearing of masks and its efficacy based on a five-point rating scale, and found that the top reason for wearing masks was because everyone else was doing so.
Kinda hard to argue with the results though.
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