Wuhan Flu Truth and Big Brother Narratives

[Anaxagoras]

As always it is important to weigh the risks vs the benefits. Currently about 1000 people/day are dying in the US. I don't know how many people it will be in November or December, and the risk of a vaccine that hasn't been thoroughly tested is also unknown. But I think we can say that every day that passes without one means more people die.

[Anaxagoras]

Fact-checking criticisms of the WHO.

[robinson]

Fact-checking criticisms of the WHO.

as soon as I heard that voice I knew who it was

[robinson]

And knowing this, I fact checked his first claim, because I know how completely full of shit (and himself) he is

I was not disappointed

[Anaxagoras]

Show your work

[Pyrrho]

Here's an example of a typical vaccine clinical trial. Company is Pfizer. This one is in Phase 3. Study began in February 2017. Final data collection for primary outcome measures, September 28, 2020. Enrollment was 17525 people.

https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show ... w=2&rank=1

For comparison, the Moderna clinical trial for their COVID-19 vaccine:

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04470427

Still recruiting. The target is 30000 people. Phase 3 study began July 27, 2020. Estimated date of completion: October 27, 2022.

An article discussing the deliverable dates:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-09- ... itics.html

FDA may be in an ongoing process of reviewing data from these trials, assuming any exists that the FDA can review. That, too, takes time. Time to collect data, time to analyse data, time to review data, and so on, and so forth.

Again, I'm not taking anything that has not been adequately reviewed, much less anything that has not completed clinical trials, and I don't care which party boss signs off on it. YMMV.

[robinson]

You seem to forget about the rest of the world, which does not play by the same rules

[robinson]

If you spend the time to look at world meter, and check out all the countries, things look a lot different

[DJ]

Show your work

I think you really should, Robinson. I certainly would appreciate it.

[Pyrrho]

You seem to forget about the rest of the world, which does not play by the same rules

Nobody is playing by any rules.

[robinson]

If I say look at world meter, which shows the stats for the Corona (the rona), that is showing the work

If you can’t click a few times and look at it, then you are being ignorant

[robinson]

Taiwan, which is the non communist China, reported early on about a new viral disease that was deadly.

This is a nation of 30 million Chinese

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... ry/taiwan/

7 deaths total

None since April

They played by different rules, and benefited greatly by the simple fact that communist China doesn’t allow any commies to go there

(Because they wouldn’t come back to commie China lol)

Taiwan doesn’t have a rona epidemic

It’s the same for other countries

[robinson]

Obviously there was, and is a solution to the serious problem of a new and deadly virus that comes from Communist China

[robinson]

If it was just a medical problem it would have been solved by every country in April

[robinson]

But as we see in the topic title here, it’s a Big Brother issue as well

[robinson]

I think I know why this causes the mind to snap shut. It's quite literally too awful to consider.

Yep

[Pyrrho]

Yeah just do whatever you want. If you don't get sick, you can still serve as a vector.

[ed]

If I say look at world meter, which shows the stats for the Corona (the rona), that is showing the work

If you can’t click a few times and look at it, then you are being ignorant

I am lazy, not ignorant. There is a difference.

[robinson]

True

[Pyrrho]

Friend of the family, very old woman, died this week in a nursing home, from complications of COVID-19.

Brother-in-law of my sister, guy is aged 67, spent time in the ICU with COVID-19, is home now but easily fatigued. His lady friend had gone to Disney World and brought it home like a souvenir.