Wuhan Flu Truth and Big Brother Narratives

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Forcing people to not smoke we know would save lives


But it’s not done

Masks have no evidence they save lives, but the cops are forcing you to wear one


It’s not a subtle point
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Is this the study that casts doubt on whether masks effectively protect the wearer? That would be a lot more significant except you'll remember the primary purpose is source control--preventing an infected person with a mask from being as likely to infect another.

A hundred arguments and studies about how the wearer is not protected doesn't address that, so i don't know why, except as deception, such an argument continues to be used. Can I ask robinson that you not be deceptive?
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Here is the relevant question:

I get covid.

1- how likely am I to require hospitalization?
2- how likely am I to die?

Compare and contrast with flu or measles or something sorta common.
For example: you have a 99.98 chance of not dieing thru and after a pregnancy. What is the comparable survival rate for Wuhan?

That is all.
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If you are young, about zero chance

If you are old and have health problems

nobody knows yet, but not good
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Thats nice but an unsatisfactory basis for establishment of a health policy in a real country.
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I would agree
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<crickets>
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It’s best not to mention uncomfortable things
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Take it from the news media if you don’t talk about it it didn’t happen
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ed wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:50 pm Here is the relevant question:

I get covid.

1- how likely am I to require hospitalization?
2- how likely am I to die?
I'm presuming you're in your 70s, ]so your chances of dying are about 5%. Given that more people come out of hospital standing than in a bag, your chances of hospitalisation are at lest 2-3 times that, so call it 15%. One chance in 7, so if you have six mates the same age, one of you will go to hospital with Covid with a 20% chance of coming out in a bag.
ed wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:50 pmCompare and contrast with flu or measles or something sorta common.
Measles fatality rate is fuck all - the problem with measles is its communicability.

Influenza has a mortality rate of 0.1%, in a bad year.

Belgium and Peru already have mortality rate of over 0.1% from Covid, and they've had a maximum of 10-20% of the population infected, so it's at least 5-10 times more deadly than influenza.
ed wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:50 pm For example: you have a 99.98 chance of not dieing thru and after a pregnancy. What is the comparable survival rate for Wuhan?

That is all.
The other thing you need to take into account is that as well as the 5% chance of dying, you have another 5-10% chance of developing long-term or permanent harm to your organs.
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The Atheist wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:54 pm The other thing you need to take into account is that as well as the 5% chance of dying, you have another 5-10% chance of developing long-term or permanent harm to your organs.
Indeed:
COVID-19 (coronavirus): Long-term effects

...

Organ damage caused by COVID-19

Although COVID-19 is seen as a disease that primarily affects the lungs, it can damage many other organs as well. This organ damage may increase the risk of long-term health problems. Organs that may be affected by COVID-19 include:
  • Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.
  • Lungs. The type of pneumonia often associated with COVID-19 can cause long-standing damage to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. The resulting scar tissue can lead to long-term breathing problems.
  • Brain. Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis. COVID-19 may also increase the risk of developing Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease.
Blood clots and blood vessel problems

COVID-19 can make blood cells more likely to clump up and form clots. While large clots can cause heart attacks and strokes, much of the heart damage caused by COVID-19 is believed to stem from very small clots that block tiny blood vessels (capillaries) in the heart muscle.

Other parts of the body affected by blood clots include the lungs, legs, liver and kidneys. COVID-19 can also weaken blood vessels and cause them to leak, which contributes to potentially long-lasting problems with the liver and kidneys.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... t-20490351

To be fair, confinement has its own problems: COVID-19 Lockdown Reduced Mental Health, Sleep, Exercise

But I'll take that anytime over clogged blood vessels! :|
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And yet in Sweden, the total number of deaths this year is lower than average


If only science could solve this problem, but fuck it, let’s have politicians keep trying
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https://apnews.com/article/us-news-coro ... 9ecbe74daa
Pfizer said Friday it is asking U.S. regulators to allow emergency use of its COVID-19 vaccine, starting the clock on a process that could bring limited first shots as early as next month and eventually an end to the pandemic -- but not until after a long, hard winter.
Importantly...
The public’s first chance to see how strong the evidence really is will come in early December at a public meeting of the FDA’s scientific advisers.

So far, what’s known is based only on statements from Pfizer and BioNTech. Of 170 infections detected to date, only eight were among people who’d received the actual vaccine and the rest had gotten a dummy shot. On the safety side, the companies cites results from 38,000 study participants who’ve been tracked for two months after their second dose. That’s a milestone FDA set because historically, vaccine side effects don’t crop up later than that.

“We’ll drill down on these data,” said FDA adviser Dr. Paul Offit of the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.
Now...how that works is that Pfizer will be required to release clinical study reports containing a lot of data to the FDA. The advisory committee is composed of medical science professionals, not specifically FDA staff. FDA will present at the meeting, and Pfizer will present at the meeting. The advisory committee will ask a lot of questions. Any "slides" that are presented will become public record. The FDA analysis may become public record, but the entirety of Pfizer's data will not. Here's what was made public from the October 22 meeting:

https://www.fda.gov/advisory-committees ... -materials

Member of the public may be able to speak at a certain point in the advisory meeting. The public should also be able to view the proceedings online but given the huge interest, very likely the connection limit will be met very early.

Watch this space, although it seems FDA hasn't updated their calendar yet, given that this announcement was just published. You'll be looking for the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee:

https://www.fda.gov/advisory-committees ... e-calendar

or

https://www.fda.gov/advisory-committees ... -committee

YMMV etc.
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very likely the connection limit will be met very early.
Right because this is like 1972.


Covid is encouraging and, I submit, allowing an open discussion of and implementation of elements of a socialist agenda. Including the codification of human rights abuses. Thats pretty much all a given.

Now ... suppose some commie/socialist country invaded with an eye to imposing their system. We would resist.

What would would an acceptable number of casualties be to effect such a resistance?
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These abuses you are concerned with, they are specifically of a socialist nature, nobody else ever does them?
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Our new socialism in this country seems to have a more than passing similarity to fascism of the Nazi stripe. The righties seem content to lurk, largely.

The idea that a politician can restrict personal behavior, even within a home, is rather controlling, no? And, of course, they love the idea of gun confiscation.

Why is that I wonder. Do they love life? No, that is demonstrably false. They want a disarmed population. Why would that be?
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We're going quite a bit beyond Covid policy there. The implications of gun control are worth exploring but it's not the same topic.

Though I'll extend an analogy--I think the whole gun control thing (at least among most people) is from polarization over an idea driving people to speculate extremes, and react in fear, and that cycle reinforces itself. That does not require puppet masters with an agenda. I think the same thing may have happened over masking. One side becomes emotional about it because they fear the other side is even more irrational.
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