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Climate Change/Global Warming Hysteria with graphs!

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I became a skeptic in Feb 2010.

Why? What does that even mean?

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gnome wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:29 pm Skeptic of the phenomenon, its causes, or the appropriate response to it? Or some combination?

What led to your change of mind?
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OK. What happened in Feb 2010?

Something in the world in general, or just the month the light-bulb in your head turned on? :roll:
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I remember like it was yesterday. I was helping a neighbor shovel snow after the third blizzard in DC. It was either Snowmageddon or snow Paco lips, we had actually run out of names for what had happened. Everything was just buried in snow, the power out, roads impossible, the government shut down, and the US post office closed for the first time in history. I said, half in jest, “oh well this is global warming”, and he looked at me and laughed, and said “yeah right”, and something clicked. So I started looking at the data
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The climate gate emails that come out months earlier, And a lot of things shown there were bothering me, so I was already questioning. But it really was the data that got me really skeptical
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Where are the graphs and science shit?
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Anaxagoras wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:28 am Where are the graphs and science shit?
Haha! Made you look. :)

Right, robinson? :P
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Oh this just great. The one computer that I run my software on, which is the only reason I even use it, I spilled coffee on it, and it’s fubar
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I'm still hoping you will narrow down your skepticism a bit--I think these are three reasonable buckets to choose from:

- Doubt that a warming trend is occurring at all.
- Agree that there is a warming trend but doubt that it is significantly driven by human activity
- Agree that there is a warming trend that is significantly driven by human activity, but that we are choosing the wrong solutions.

If there's a different category by all means describe it. Too many people dance around all three when they are nearly exclusive positions.
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gnome wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:02 am I'm still hoping you will narrow down your skepticism a bit--I think these are three reasonable buckets to choose from:

- Doubt that a warming trend is occurring at all.
- Agree that there is a warming trend but doubt that it is significantly driven by human activity
- Agree that there is a warming trend that is significantly driven by human activity, but that we are choosing the wrong solutions.

If there's a different category by all means describe it. Too many people dance around all three when they are nearly exclusive positions.
That is very good reminder, and all the trauma of losing my precious laptop, which I only use because I have to use Windows, I actually forgot about that part.
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I’m going to label the buckets to save typing -
A) Doubt that a warming trend is occurring at all.
B)Agree that there is a warming trend but doubt that it is significantly driven by human activity
C)Agree that there is a warming trend that is significantly driven by human activity, but that we are choosing the wrong solutions.


After thinking about it, it appears that there really are only two questions that involve data.
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...well, which is it young feller?

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Putting these to rest
A) Doubt that a warming trend is occurring at all.

The question is not exact enough for an answer.

B)Agree that there is a warming trend but doubt that it is significantly driven by human activity

Can’t be answered for same reason

C)Agree that there is a warming trend that is significantly driven by human activity, but that we are choosing the wrong solutions.

Can’t be answered same reason.

“A warming trend” is not scientific. My skepticism is specific, about many things being claimed, based on the basic global warming theory. BGWT

Claims about the BGWT, using computer models, and even old fashioned calculations, were the first thing I looked at.

In the ten years since that epic winter, a lot more data has been gathered. One thing that BGWT definitely predicts (not a projection) is the most warming will be observed in winter, with the most warming happening over land, at extra tropical latitudes, and high elevations. And at night.

This is simple to explain. CO2 caused warming (carbon) is supposed to be happening where water vapor (WV) isn’t overwhelming any carbon effect. WV usually dominates any carbon heating, the original objection to the BGWT

Plass and others brought the theory back showing a carbon effect at high altitudes, where the dry air is free from WV, and this led to calculations and the BGWT coming back as the main driver of climate change (explaining the ice ages)

So while the ice ages were once again explained by the BGWT, a water vapor feedback was added to try and explain some of the unsolved parts of the theory.

The biggest problem was, and still is, how can an ice age start the glacier building phase when carbon is at the peak levels? Just because the AGW theory replaced BGWT as the dominating factor, did not make this huge problem go away.

If you are objecting already to these statements, which is most often the case, you may get be in over your head already.
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One reason I rarely even try to discuss this shit online is the self expert idiot problem. If you don’t know anything about the BGWT, how the fuck can you chime in about it?
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Still no graphs or science.

Reminds me of a climate change thread.
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What do you want see?
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Of course the science is the BGWT. It’s always a delight to encounter the internet blowhard that can’t even describe the theory.
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Hotarubi wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:55 am Reminds me of a climate change thread.
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robinson wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:56 am What do you want see?
Graphs and science.
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Hotarubi wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:13 pm
robinson wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:56 am What do you want see?
Graphs and science.
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How about it, robinson?

Can't you manage just one measly little graph. :p
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