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Now Snow and others seem quaint and ancient, with our modern age of instant knowledge, internet experts and apps and wicked fast phones, networks and computers, along with a huge knowledge base easily accessed.

My cheap new laptop I bought just to run one software program, it's a goddamn super computer compared to the what I was using just 30 years ago. To try and show something as simple and basic as some weather data, plotted over time, just 30 years ago, would have been a huge undertaking. Right now I can do it for thousands of stations, in minutes. Or one station in great detail, in many ways, in just moments.

As time has gone by, it has become obvious that data, both raw and adjusted (or fiddled with), which is (and should be) freely available, you don't actually have to take anybodys word for something. Especially for something that anyone with a working mind can understand, Like, what was the temperature? How much snow was there? Did it freeze?

These are not difficult matters.

If you can push a button on your phone and know all things, and then push another button and show it to somebody, you might think arguments over shit would be far less.

But no, when it comes to global warming/AGW/climate change, that is the furthest thing from the truth.
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gnome wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:20 pm A high level understanding could keep the discussion from getting into the weeds on topics that are not in substantial dispute.
That's not going to happen. You would have to have at least some level of understanding to even understand topics, either disputed or not.
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I am not having difficulty understanding the facts. What I can't do is suss out what your actual argument is from them, as I am not a mind-reader.

Since we've had so much trouble establishing that, I've narrowed it down to something even simpler than my original categories--something that is an open ended question that you should have no trouble answering if you understand it as well as you say.

That question is: If you were a world leader, and could count on your proposals being enacted, what would your policy be regarding global warming/climate change?
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gnome wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:00 pm That question is: If you were a world leader, and could count on your proposals being enacted, what would your policy be regarding global warming/climate change?
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robinson wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:16 pm
gnome wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:20 pm A high level understanding could keep the discussion from getting into the weeds on topics that are not in substantial dispute.
That's not going to happen. You would have to have at least some level of understanding to even understand topics, either disputed or not.
You would have to at least read some of the IPCC reports to understand the state of the science.
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Rob Lister wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:47 pm
gnome wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:00 pm That question is: If you were a world leader, and could count on your proposals being enacted, what would your policy be regarding global warming/climate change?
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I'm welcome to other people giving their ideas.
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gnome wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:31 pm Because that will affect what points I ask about. It will also help filter whether robinson is participating in good faith.
I don't believe you. I think you are avoiding the discussion, and the last thing you will do is respond to the scientific shit on the page. Your objections don't make sense, nor have you done what you are demanding I do to satisfy you, before you will even consider a discussion.

This topic was started to not derail a political one. Here
gnome wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:26 am It seems that the effects of climate change are of particular concern to Pakistan.

Reuters Analysis: Pakistan floods, Russia heat fit climate trend
But here you claim
gnome wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:00 pm I am not having difficulty understanding the facts.
while in that topic you didn't even respond to this post
solely wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:43 pm The only way to save the planet is for humans to go extinct, or leave.
I'm not buying your tactic at all here.
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I am not interested in the political fights over what may or may not be a real danger. I am interested in finding out if there is a real danger.
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Two things happened that if I had known would happen, I wouldn't has started this topic at all. First I spilled coffee and ruined my PC laptop, a POS I only need for this old software to run.

Second, I figured out how to keep working during this lockdown, and didn't end up having a lot of time after all.
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Currently I have both laptop and time, but the time is not at home where the software is lol
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Fml
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I am avoiding discussion on points we may already agree on to focus on points we may not. You don't need me to satisfy your standard of knowledge in order to answer the single question I have now put to you.
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I don't need you to do anything.
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Now on to those long awaited graphs ...
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Well here's a good one, since we're just posting information without actually having any point to make or policy to advocate.

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gnome wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:54 pm ... since we're just posting information without actually having any point to make or policy to advocate.
I was trying to answer a question. Your question.
gnome wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:29 pm Skeptic of the phenomenon, its causes, or the appropriate response to it? Or some combination?

What led to your change of mind?
Actually multiple questions. And not mess up an ongoing topic.
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You tried to turn it into something else, and then insisted I answer more questions. Your motives are a little obvious here.
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After I turned my skeptical sense to the global warming issue, I started looking into a lot of the battles that had been going on for a decade at least, all of which I had ignored. In 2009, in a thread about global warming, I would have just made some snarky comment about how we are fucking doomed and people are shit and some other nonsense.

Hell, I probably made some here. (goes off to search the archives)
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OK I found this thread

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=19328&p=365487#p365487
robinson wrote: Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:32 am I still can't figure out what is up with the GW thing and skeptics. Are skeptics suspicious of GW, or are they 100% behind it, or is it a mixed bag of nuts.
robinson wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:38 am Over at TOP I have trouble following who believes what about GW.
I remember at TOP I posted some bemoaning our fate crap back in 2006, along with some scathing commentary about how we are doomed so whats the point? I could find it, but so what?

I certainly wasn't some big skeptic before 2010
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robinson wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:03 pm You tried to turn it into something else, and then insisted I answer more questions. Your motives are a little obvious here.
I changed the question because you told me the way I originally put it was unanswerable. So I have offered a new question for you that I think is answerable.
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Nonsense and fluff. I told you to replace global warming with God, and you will understand the problem.
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Let's say I agree. Isn't my current question to you more useful?
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Let me help
- Doubt that God exists at all.
- Agree that there is a God but doubt God is created by human activity
- Agree that there is a God that is created by human activity, but that we are choosing the wrong God.

If there's a different category by all means describe it. Too many people dance around all three when they are nearly exclusive positions.
No, they all assume there is a God. Or something like a God.
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Now you are asking, "If you were all powerful leader of all mankind, what would you do about God?"

You have to start at the beginning.
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Of course it does. That was the first point. It's not exact enough to answer.
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robinson wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:22 pm Now you are asking, "If you were all powerful leader of all mankind, what would you do about God?"

You have to start at the beginning.
Nonsense. I can answer that question.

Nothing. I would do nothing about God, because I don't think God or anything like it exists.

Your turn.
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So you are a God denier then
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See?
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I've been called a troll, a denier, a paid shill, and all kinds of assumptions have been made by idiots, just because I dare to look at the data, and point out some big problems with the BGWT, the models, the predictions, the projections, and most of all the proposed solutions to a problem that may not be the problem the idiots think it is.

And this is from skeptics. The lunatic fringe are far worse.
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I am a proud God denier, yes. I don't see the issue here. I wish you were willing to be as clear.

At the very least, I deny that it's any business of mine, as a hypothetical world leader, to do anything about.
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robinson wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:14 pm Nonsense and fluff. I told you to replace global warming with God, and you will understand the problem.
Does the average person here confuse being skeptical with being obtuse?

You can measure temperature but you can't measure god.
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Surprise wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:59 pm
robinson wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:14 pm Nonsense and fluff. I told you to replace global warming with God, and you will understand the problem.
Does the average person here confuse being skeptical with being obtuse?

You can measure temperature but you can't measure god.
You've been here long enough to know the answer to that.

Wait.

What? :)
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Attention whore!
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:D
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Of course not

Nobody watched the whole thing
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You would be dead if you did
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I gotta tell you guys, I get a warm fuzzy feeling when I see such bright, warm intelligent people using their minds and skeptical toolkits to examine evidence so thoroughly and arrive at conclusions so quickly! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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corplinx wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:52 am Michael Moore makes you hate the Green Industry
I was waiting for the inevitable political shit show to start.
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Which seems to be true, but only if you believe they are solutions
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Scams, solutions, call it what you will. Fact is, they don't fucking work. Except at continuing to fuck the planet and line rich fuckers pockets. Including former Greenmunists who are now merely shit-smears on the ass of Humanity.
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