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I haven’t even really started
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ed wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:36 pm I am contentious by nature.

I need the moral equivilent of double blind, peer reviewed and replicated. If not its bullshit .

"Considered" is a weasel word that has no place in my lexicon.
I agree with you. Something I found early in was a serious lack of the scientific method when it comes to the BGWT


And related matters


It bothered me
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A real theory makes predictions, and is clear about what experiments or observations of reality would support or destroy the theory
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It’s interesting (to me of course) that the BGWT was destroyed three times, but is once again on the table
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What is this horseshit BGWT of which you speak? I just searched it up and even Googly didn't know...Therefore methinks you're, once again, full of shit.

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Surprise wrote: Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:14 am
robinson wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:19 pm Probably the same reason why the actual data for temperature is so hard to get
It's not hard to get. It's publicly available and you can download all you want. Knock yourself out.

The BEST project was intended to prove the science wrong and the temperature statistics false. In the end it had to conclude the scientists were right and the 'skeptics' were wrong.
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It’s hard jumping into long topic with terminology and shit like that, I understand. I explained early on, but of course you missed it.


Scientist are really annoying because they abbreviate shit, which saves a lot of time, but fucking hell if you don’t know what they are saying
robinson wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:54 am Putting these to rest
A) Doubt that a warming trend is occurring at all.

The question is not exact enough for an answer.

B)Agree that there is a warming trend but doubt that it is significantly driven by human activity

Can’t be answered for same reason

C)Agree that there is a warming trend that is significantly driven by human activity, but that we are choosing the wrong solutions.

Can’t be answered same reason.

“A warming trend” is not scientific. My skepticism is specific, about many things being claimed, based on the basic global warming theory. BGWT

Claims about the BGWT, using computer models, and even old fashioned calculations, were the first thing I looked at.

In the ten years since that epic winter, a lot more data has been gathered. One thing that BGWT definitely predicts (not a projection) is the most warming will be observed in winter, with the most warming happening over land, at extra tropical latitudes, and high elevations. And at night.

This is simple to explain. CO2 caused warming (carbon) is supposed to be happening where water vapor (WV) isn’t overwhelming any carbon effect. WV usually dominates any carbon heating, the original objection to the BGWT

Plass and others brought the theory back showing a carbon effect at high altitudes, where the dry air is free from WV, and this led to calculations and the BGWT coming back as the main driver of climate change (explaining the ice ages)

So while the ice ages were once again explained by the BGWT, a water vapor feedback was added to try and explain some of the unsolved parts of the theory.

The biggest problem was, and still is, how can an ice age start the glacier building phase when carbon is at the peak levels? Just because the AGW theory replaced BGWT as the dominating factor, did not make this huge problem go away.

If you are objecting already to these statements, which is most often the case, you may get be in over your head already.
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TLDR

BGWT = basic global warming theory

http://www.drroyspencer.com/global-warming-101/
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If I just play dumb, then no one can ever prove anything to me.

"“A warming trend” is not scientific. " It is scientific, it is being measured now. Look up the BEST project. I doubt you will because you put all your energy into being a lazy cynic and not actually working at learning anything.
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I have a ton of Best graphics, and have followed them since the start
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And, I fixed my computer, the one I lost right after I started this topic

The problem is time and energy

Plus knowing nothing is going to change a believer, especially not facts and science
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robinson wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:52 am And, I fixed my computer, the one I lost right after I started this topic

The problem is time and energy

Plus knowing nothing is going to change a believer, especially not facts and science
Our Quixotic way has often been to try anyhow. I still think there's value in the effort.
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Oh yeah, but to be honest, it's more for my enjoyment than any effort to proselytize some movement
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Surprise wrote: Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:24 pm If I just play dumb, then no one can ever prove anything to me.
That doesn't make sense. Usually humans playing dumb is for a reduction in social pressure or to avoid conflict. Your claim doesn't make any sense in that context.
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He's playing dumb, he doesn't actually mean what he said. I need to do some tweaking here.
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This is one of those humor things?
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No, he isn't trying to be funny. Though it can be viewed that way, if one was cynical and jaded.
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Humans are so strange
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Let's do some basic science and shit!
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Basic science is even more boring than looking at graphs
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I think I may have a solution for that, at long last
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Will the dog eat your homework again?

Global warming denier can't deny his own figures show global warming, including for the last 30 years.

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We are approaching the point where we must face the unpleasant truth, that Government agencies, and the people who collect money from governments, they lie
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Nothing draws more unskeptical rage from skeptics than this matter

I know they are liars

I also know showing it won’t matter

For some reason, despite all the past lies, the deceptions, the blatant fraud Governments and their agents have inflicted on us for as long as history exists

“This time they are like totally right and honest”
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You're welcome to provide competing information and explain why it is more reliable.

Is that your claim though, that the figures in that chart are literally falsified?
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I know it with out a doubt at this point

10 years ago it was still a question
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robinson wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:49 pm Nothing draws more unskeptical rage from skeptics than this matter

I know they are liars

I also know showing it won’t matter

For some reason, despite all the past lies, the deceptions, the blatant fraud Governments and their agents have inflicted on us for as long as history exists

“This time they are like totally right and honest”
The graph is from Dr Roy Spencer, the scientist you quoted just a couple of posts before. :shock: :? :roll: :De_Bunk: :notsure: :| :evil:
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Pyrrho: Time to sequester robinson and robinson2 to his own little corner of the board much like pillory. Please make this nonsense stop.
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↑ Right. Putting him with pil would be cruel for pil.

That being said, that thread gave me the impression of wading through marshmallows. (Note the past tense. :wink: )
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Thanks to ed (link) I can now focus on what really interest me, and this topic. Please support ed and the effort made, to continue to allow me to work.
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That is not going to happen.
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Winter has shown up in summer, and doesn’t seem to be going away soon

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Time for some graphs and some science shit once more




Hmm

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I still haven't seen decent graph
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Hotarubi wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:51 pm I still haven't seen decent graph

Yes you have. The problem is you don't know enough to realize what you are looking at.
ed wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:13 pm Where are these stations? Whar are the surroundinds? Has there been building near them over the time period?
All the GHCN stations are supposed to be quality controlled. The conflict over this being true is a lot more than a single topic can handle.
robinson wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:25 pm ... experience has shown that when it comes to climate change/global warming

Facts rarely matter
I don't have to argue that point much. Just a few graphs is enough to watch for yourself how it happen. But before we start again with the 6 graphs I posted, the sources were also posted early on. So don't ask stupid questions.
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ed wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:45 pm The first question is wtf is this data? What does it purport to represent?
The source is wxshift.com for the “Getting hotter” graphs
The following post have links to the sources.

We have two different claims investigated, using Alabama as an example. (this is not about Alabama, it is about climate hysteria, graphs and how you can tell you are being bullshitted.
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This graph is used to "show you" how night time lows are going up. (global warming) Nighttime lows = Tmin (I already explained all of this of course)

Climate central is a propaganda site for global warming hysteria, and they have lots of these graphs. Here is one of them

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That is called cherry picking, when you choose a short time period to try and fool people.

Tmin for Alabama is not going up.

Even the modified data from NOAA shows this easily.

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This is a longer view of the data. And it just one of many reasons I don't buy the climate bullshit coming from multiple sources.
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I posted all this back in March 2020

Using Alabama as an example again

The alarm ringers claim summer highs are also going up, and use graphs like this to "show you"

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Here is the same data from the NOAA interface

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Daytime highs = Tmax

So they are selling that summers are warming, a lot, and fast.

But when you check the longer period, once again the fraud is evident

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This is also modified data, the actual data is even more revealing.

Here's a graph showing how NOAA modified the data

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I've got thousands and thousands of graphs, and can generate more in seconds.
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This is the old graph style

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This is the newest version
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See. Crap graphs.
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I once fell into the trap of "you are wrong, post the data" in what seemed like a simple matter (climate/global warming related)

12 years later the one true contender (OTC) still insists I am wrong, even as everyone else slipped away and doesn't want to discuss it. It's so simply awful, at first I thought I was being punked.

Here's a simple version of how it goes.

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Me:The claim is X, but the data shows Y

OTC: You are wrong.

Here are two links to both sets of data

OTC:That doesn't show what you think it does

Obviously it does

OTC: No, you are comparing two different time periods.

No, you just use the period the data covers for both.

OTC:You are a festering stew of ignorance and lies

10 years later

I remember when OTC claimed I was wrong.

OTC:I never did.

Hahah. (quotes post from 10 years previous) "OTC: You are wrong."

OTC:That's not what I said. I said you were comparing apples to oranges.

No, and here is your post showing you are wrong about what you said.

OTC: ................

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But he still believes he is right, and the data doesn't show yadda yadda yadda


It's always exactly like that with true believers. You think facts and logic and reason are going to matter.





















They will not
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For example:

NOAA and GISS and HADCRUT and BEST and RSS all show different data, and trends, for the same time period

Especially regional trends. If you can get individual stations to see the adjustments, you can see they all change the actual data, but in different ways. Then they change the region data, then they change the summed data, and these changes happen over time, so that the version in 1998 is different than 2009 which is different from 2019, and none of it matches with another agency.

There is also the "made up" data, to fill in the huge gaps in coverage, especially in the past, but still ongoing.
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The sum of all the errors is then used in computer programs to "show you" things that simply don't actual exist, and can't even exist.
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In this regard global warming/climate change has become politics

Skeptics are not surprised by evidence that shows massive fraud and idiocy from the prophets of doom

True believers will not be swayed by anything
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robinson wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:20 pm But he still believes he is right, and the data doesn't show...
Which is the correct position. Because your graphs are crap.
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Wasn’t “my graphs”, it’s all actual data, or “adjusted data” from NOAA, GISS, HADCRUT or Some other official source of data.

Just like this topic, none of the data is gathered or published by my humble self, but that doesn’t matter because politics, or just ignorance
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