Climate Change/Global Warming Hysteria with graphs!

[sparks]

Pyrrho: Time to sequester robinson and robinson2 to his own little corner of the board much like pillory. Please make this nonsense stop.

[Witness]

↑ Right. Putting him with pil would be cruel for pil.

That being said, that thread gave me the impression of wading through marshmallows. (Note the past tense. )

[robinson]

[robinson]

Thanks to ed (link) I can now focus on what really interest me, and this topic. Please support ed and the effort made, to continue to allow me to work.

[robinson2]

That is not going to happen.

[robinson]

[robinson]

Winter has shown up in summer, and doesn’t seem to be going away soon

[robinson]

Time for some graphs and some science shit once more




Hmm

[Hotarubi]

I still haven't seen decent graph

[robinson]

[robinson]

I still haven't seen decent graph

Yes you have. The problem is you don't know enough to realize what you are looking at.

Where are these stations? Whar are the surroundinds? Has there been building near them over the time period?

All the GHCN stations are supposed to be quality controlled. The conflict over this being true is a lot more than a single topic can handle.

... experience has shown that when it comes to climate change/global warming

Facts rarely matter

I don't have to argue that point much. Just a few graphs is enough to watch for yourself how it happen. But before we start again with the 6 graphs I posted, the sources were also posted early on. So don't ask stupid questions.

The first question is wtf is this data? What does it purport to represent?

The source is wxshift.com for the “Getting hotter” graphs

The following post have links to the sources.

We have two different claims investigated, using Alabama as an example. (this is not about Alabama, it is about climate hysteria, graphs and how you can tell you are being bullshitted.

[robinson]

This graph is used to "show you" how night time lows are going up. (global warming) Nighttime lows = Tmin (I already explained all of this of course)

Climate central is a propaganda site for global warming hysteria, and they have lots of these graphs. Here is one of them



That is called cherry picking, when you choose a short time period to try and fool people.

Tmin for Alabama is not going up.

Even the modified data from NOAA shows this easily.



source

This is a longer view of the data. And it just one of many reasons I don't buy the climate bullshit coming from multiple sources.

[robinson]

I posted all this back in March 2020

Using Alabama as an example again

The alarm ringers claim summer highs are also going up, and use graphs like this to "show you"



Here is the same data from the NOAA interface



Daytime highs = Tmax

So they are selling that summers are warming, a lot, and fast.

But when you check the longer period, once again the fraud is evident



This is also modified data, the actual data is even more revealing.

Here's a graph showing how NOAA modified the data



I've got thousands and thousands of graphs, and can generate more in seconds.

[robinson]

This is the old graph style



source

This is the newest version

noaa.png

[robinson]

wxshift

https://wxshift.com/climate-change/loca ... trend=mint

[Hotarubi]

See. Crap graphs.

[robinson]

I once fell into the trap of "you are wrong, post the data" in what seemed like a simple matter (climate/global warming related)

12 years later the one true contender (OTC) still insists I am wrong, even as everyone else slipped away and doesn't want to discuss it. It's so simply awful, at first I thought I was being punked.

Here's a simple version of how it goes.

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Me:The claim is X, but the data shows Y

OTC: You are wrong.

Here are two links to both sets of data

OTC:That doesn't show what you think it does

Obviously it does

OTC: No, you are comparing two different time periods.

No, you just use the period the data covers for both.

OTC:You are a festering stew of ignorance and lies

10 years later

I remember when OTC claimed I was wrong.

OTC:I never did.

Hahah. (quotes post from 10 years previous) "OTC: You are wrong."

OTC:That's not what I said. I said you were comparing apples to oranges.

No, and here is your post showing you are wrong about what you said.

OTC: ................

He never posted again.

[robinson]

But he still believes he is right, and the data doesn't show yadda yadda yadda


It's always exactly like that with true believers. You think facts and logic and reason are going to matter.





















They will not

[robinson]

For example:

NOAA and GISS and HADCRUT and BEST and RSS all show different data, and trends, for the same time period

Especially regional trends. If you can get individual stations to see the adjustments, you can see they all change the actual data, but in different ways. Then they change the region data, then they change the summed data, and these changes happen over time, so that the version in 1998 is different than 2009 which is different from 2019, and none of it matches with another agency.

There is also the "made up" data, to fill in the huge gaps in coverage, especially in the past, but still ongoing.

[robinson]

The sum of all the errors is then used in computer programs to "show you" things that simply don't actual exist, and can't even exist.