## Relativity puzzle

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### Re: Relativity puzzle

robinson wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:33 am The math is exactly the same

https://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/teaching ... index.html
Zero math there. Still waiting…
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### Re: Relativity puzzle

shemp wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:28 am "Who gives a fuck?"
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robinson wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:43 am
shemp wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:28 am "Who gives a fuck?"
Begs the question: why did you show up to comment in this thread then?

Still got nothing about "exactly the same math", eh? Quelle surprise.
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I showed up? That's not how this works, that's not how any of this works
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robinson wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:45 am The real puzzle is when you realize the lab can be the stationary object and the observer is moving. And the math is exactly the same.
This is a basic part of the theory. Since there is no way to actually say, or know, who is moving or at rest, (everyone is actually), and the idealized rest state or observer location is a fiction, used to do maths, it doesn't matter which you say is moving.

The math is the same.

The perceived motion of the lab, (with the mirrors, the light, the time and distance), it is all dependant on the observer. And it doesn't matter if the lab is "stationary" and the observe is moving, the calculations are the same.
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robinson wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:26 am
robinson wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:45 am The real puzzle is when you realize the lab can be the stationary object and the observer is moving. And the math is exactly the same.
This is a basic part of the theory. Since there is no way to actually say, or know, who is moving or at rest, (everyone is actually), and the idealized rest state or observer location is a fiction, used to do maths, it doesn't matter which you say is moving.

The math is the same.

The perceived motion of the lab, (with the mirrors, the light, the time and distance), it is all dependant on the observer. And it doesn't matter if the lab is "stationary" and the observe is moving, the calculations are the same.
You already wrote that, twice, and I still don't disagree,

Yet no math. Prove your claim that it is "exactly the same" or admit that you're unable to do it.
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Whatever the relative velocity of the observer is, just plug it in

You can have multiple observers at different velocities, observing the same lab

Each observer gets a different answer
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Just show how it's done.
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Just re-invent the wheel
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The observer in the moving lab sees the exact same thing if the stationary observer also has mirrors and a light, and the moving lab is measuring the distance looking at the unmoving observer

The math is exactly the same
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Which is from the theory of relativity
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Let’s cut to the chase

Does an observer in the lab see clocks running slower for the non moving observer! There is another light mirror set up where the non moving observer is

What does the lab observer see? The non moving observer appears to be moving

Which they are of course, relative to the lab
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It’s a simple question
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robinson wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:52 am Balls in your court
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Avoidance noted
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Lol.

Still nothing, eh?
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It’s all relative man
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I think you're letting yourself be trolled Witness. I'll admit that I just don't know how to do the math.
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