## Mexico, WTF

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I bet an independent coyote didn't pay the street tax.
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WildCat wrote:
I bet an independent coyote didn't pay the street tax.
That is a reasonable alternate scenario.
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That's kind of what prompted this thread. It just seems way outside of what drug war casualties would be.

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Grammatron wrote:
That's kind of what prompted this thread. It just seems way outside of what drug war casualties would be.
I would hesitate to make a determination as to who the usual casualties would be. Simply put, there are a lot of cartels that have gotten much more powerful since the '90s, all competing heavily for territory along the border and the Mexican government has ramped up the war on those cartels in recent years. You throw in the constant discussions about border security in the U.S. and Arizona taking matters into its own hands, and I'd find it hard to believe that there's nothing they wouldn't do to ensure their trafficking avenues are protected.

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### Re: Mexico, WTF

AFP wrote:133 politicians murdered ahead of Mexico elections: study

A total of 133 politicians have been murdered in the run-up to Mexico's elections on Sunday, the consulting firm Etellekt said, as the violence gripping the country exploded into politics on a record scale.

The murders -- mostly of local-level politicians, the most frequent targets for Mexico's powerful drug cartels -- were recorded between September, when candidate registration opened, and the close of campaigning on Wednesday, when an interim mayor was killed in the western state of Michoacan.

The victims included 48 candidates running for office -- 28 who were killed during the primary campaigns and 20 during the general election campaign, Etellekt, which carried out a study of election-related violence, told AFP Thursday.

"This violence has been concentrated at the local level. At least 71 percent of these attacks have been against elected officials and candidates running for office at the local level," said the firm's director, Ruben Salazar.
https://www.afp.com/en/news/23/133-poli ... oc-16t3cy3

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### Re: Mexico, WTF

Thanks Trump!
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That's why Mexican pols want to send their people to the USA.
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### Re: Mexico, WTF

Trump’s border wall breaks ground in San Diego
Beautiful? Maybe. But big? Definitely.

A 14-mile section of President Trump’s border wall is under construction in San Diego, at a cost of $147 million. The money comes from the omnibus spending bill that Trump signed in March. The legislation included a$1.6 billion down payment on the “great, great” wall that – Trump promised throughout his presidential campaign – would stretch across the nation’s southern border.

The San Diego wall will reach up to 30 feet high, topped with a sheer vertical “anti-climbing plate” that offers no hand- or footholds for illicit border crossers.
...
The U.S. Border Patrol’s San Diego Sector, which covers 60 miles of the US-Mexico boundary, is one of the most active in the nation. Last year, its officers arrested more than 26,000 illegal immigrants and seized nearly 11,000 pounds of marijuana and 3,000 pounds of cocaine.
And so it begins....
Then Skank Of America could start in...

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### Re: Mexico, WTF

Auditor’s report identifies 6 billion pesos in questionable spending in 2017

Half the missing funds are linked to the state oil company, Pemex

ASF chief David Colmenares presented the results of 344 individual audits to the lower house of Congress yesterday.

That number equates to just 22% of a total of 1,592 audits that are scheduled to take place to review the use of public funds last year, meaning that there is ample scope within which further irregularities may be detected.

The ASF said that it “had knowledge” that Pemex obtained just over 3.1 billion pesos (US $157 million) in funding but “it hasn’t been proven that said resources were allocated to improve the profitability of Pemex, as agreed to by its board of directors.” A further seven federal agencies failed to report to the federal treasury how a combined 3.08 billion pesos (US$154.7 million) had been spent, the report said.
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Colmenares also told members of Congress that the ASF had filed 17 criminal complaints related to the alleged embezzlement of more than 3 billion pesos in an illicit government contracting scheme known as la estafa maestra (the master fraud).

That amount was allegedly siphoned off to shell and illegal companies through universities between 2013 and 2014.
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/audito ... ularities/

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### Re: Mexico, WTF

Skeeve wrote:Trump’s border wall breaks ground in San Diego
Beautiful? Maybe. But big? Definitely.

A 14-mile section of President Trump’s border wall is under construction in San Diego, at a cost of $147 million. The money comes from the omnibus spending bill that Trump signed in March. The legislation included a$1.6 billion down payment on the “great, great” wall that – Trump promised throughout his presidential campaign – would stretch across the nation’s southern border.

The San Diego wall will reach up to 30 feet high, topped with a sheer vertical “anti-climbing plate” that offers no hand- or footholds for illicit border crossers.
...
The U.S. Border Patrol’s San Diego Sector, which covers 60 miles of the US-Mexico boundary, is one of the most active in the nation. Last year, its officers arrested more than 26,000 illegal immigrants and seized nearly 11,000 pounds of marijuana and 3,000 pounds of cocaine.
And so it begins....
Construction comes to a screeching halt in January 2021.
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### Re: Mexico, WTF

shemp wrote:
Skeeve wrote:Trump’s border wall breaks ground in San Diego
Beautiful? Maybe. But big? Definitely.

A 14-mile section of President Trump’s border wall is under construction in San Diego, at a cost of $147 million. ...{snip].... And so it begins.... Construction comes to a screeching halt in January 2021. Is this a falsifiable prediction Shemp? I suspect it depends on who is contracted, and how long the contract lasts, yadda, yadda, yadda...IOW, we'll see. Then Skank Of America could start in... shemp Posts: 5258 Joined: Thu Jun 10, 2004 12:16 pm Title: stooge ### Re: Mexico, WTF Skeeve wrote: shemp wrote: Skeeve wrote:Trump’s border wall breaks ground in San Diego Beautiful? Maybe. But big? Definitely. A 14-mile section of President Trump’s border wall is under construction in San Diego, at a cost of$147 million.

...{snip]....
And so it begins....
Construction comes to a screeching halt in January 2021.
Is this a falsifiable prediction Shemp?

I suspect it depends on who is contracted, and how long the contract lasts, yadda, yadda, yadda...IOW, we'll see.
I stand by my prediction. Maybe even January 2019 depending on the congressional elections. Congress signs the checks. Unless Cheeto wants to pay for it out of his own pocket.
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### Re: Mexico, WTF

Some Mexico news:

Mexico has a new president, a leftist populist.

(CNN)Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador has declared victory in Mexico's presidential election, as preliminary results showed the leftist veteran politician, who had presented himself as an agent of change, secured a landslide win.
President-elect Lopez Obrador is estimated to have received over 53% of the vote, more than double the total of his closest rival, according to the country's electoral commission.
"Today, they have recognized our victory," Lopez Obrador, known by his initials AMLO, told a crowd of jubilant supporters at an event in Mexico City late Sunday local time.

President Enrique Peña Nieto called Lopez Obrador shortly beforehand to congratulate him and pledged to help him carry out an orderly transition. Lopez Obrador will formally take power on December 1.
Wow, Mexico has an even longer lame duck period than we do.
In his speech to supporters, the President-elect said he would forge a new relationship with the US "rooted in mutual respect and in defense of our migrant countrymen who work and live honestly in that country."
Lopez Obrador also promised to tackle violence and wipe out corruption, which he said was the "result of a political regime in decay."
"We are absolutely certain that this evil is the principle cause of social inequality and of economic inequality," he said. "Because of corruption, violence has erupted in our country."
He added that he will pursue a peace plan with representatives of the United Nations, human rights and religious organizations, to help tackle the murder rate, which soared to an all-time high under Peña Nieto, whom critics accused of failing to adequately deal with crime, corruption and economic inequality.
About that soaring murder rate, the Economist has an article on that:

Why Mexico’s murder rate is soaring
The toll for 2017 was the highest in modern Mexican history. This year is set to be worse

LAST month 12,000 people marched in protest through Guadalajara, Mexico’s second-biggest city, after authorities revealed that three missing film students had been dissolved in acid. The month before, a bottler for Coca-Cola shut down its operations in the state of Guerrero because of the rampant violence there. Meanwhile the morgue in the northern border town of Tijuana, where the murder rate has nearly tripled in two years, is so full of bodies that residents complain about the smell. As repellent as they are, these tales are just a taste. Some 25,340 Mexicans, says the government, were murdered last year, well above the previous peak of 2011. The toll for 2018 is on track to pass 30,000. Why is Mexico’s murder rate rocketing?

Mexico has the misfortune to lie directly between South America’s coca fields and the United States, the world’s biggest drug market. The drugs trade created criminal gangs who fight over turf and kill those who try to stop them doing business. Guns, easily bought in the United States, flow back into Mexico. Weak law enforcement lets gangsters kill with virtual impunity. Some scholars think the rise of democracy at the end of the last century broke up truces between criminals and the ruling party, spurring more conflict and violence. As gangs wreaked havoc, Felipe Calderón, president from 2006 till 2012, sent the army to defeat them, unleashing an unprecedented wave of violence. Enrique Peña Nieto, who took office in 2012, vowed to halve the murder rate—and it did drop during the first few years of his tenure.

But three new trends have brought the violence up to new levels. First, the capturing of “kingpins” has left gangs fragmented, undisciplined and prone to fighting among themselves. These fissures have helped spur the second trend: diversification. Gangs look beyond drug-trafficking and into activities like extortion, kidnapping and—especially—the theft of fuel from pipelines. These new lines of work are just as bloody as the old ones. The third trend, a result of the first two, has been decentralisation. During the Calderón era, much of the killing was linked to the moving of drugs into America and was concentrated in states and cities along the border, such as Ciudad Juárez in Chihuahua. But now gangs are spreading to states which have not known widespread bloodshed, such as Quintana Roo, Guanajuato and Colima. Almost every single state has seen a rise in murders since 2015.

Unsurprisingly, security has been a big issue in the lead-up to Mexico’s presidential election, due on July 1st. José Antonio Meade of the Institutional Revolutionary Party and Ricardo Anaya of the National Action Party both push measures to strengthen the state. Andrés Manuel López Obrador, a left-wing candidate who is the favourite to win, wants to offer amnesty to a vaguely defined cohort of criminals. “We cannot solve violence with violence,” he says. But three in four Mexicans oppose the idea. So far, all three plans are light on detail. The last two presidents have left behind a more violent country than they found. Few voters are confident that the next leader can avoid doing the same.
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### Re: Mexico, WTF

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Doctor X wrote:Regarding "Shit Holes."

--J.D.
I'm sure that a leftist populist can turn things around though. Soon they may have to build a wall on the border to keep out the gringos fleeing Trump's 'Murica as it descends into the inevitable zombie apocalypse.
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### Re: Mexico, WTF

Anaxagoras wrote:
Doctor X wrote:Regarding "Shit Holes."

--J.D.
I'm sure that a leftist populist can turn things around though. Soon they may have to build a wall on the border to keep out the gringos fleeing Trump's 'Murica as it descends into the inevitable zombie apocalypse.
Of course, the record of leftist populists turning things around is just spectacular! Just look at Bolivia, Venezuela, Brazil...
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### Re: Mexico, WTF

WildCat wrote:
Anaxagoras wrote:
Doctor X wrote:Regarding "Shit Holes."

--J.D.
I'm sure that a leftist populist can turn things around though. Soon they may have to build a wall on the border to keep out the gringos fleeing Trump's 'Murica as it descends into the inevitable zombie apocalypse.
Of course, the record of leftist populists turning things around is just spectacular! Just look at Bolivia, Venezuela, Brazil...
That’s not how it goes:
“those were the wrong kind of leftists, or didn’t get a fair shot. The current candidates are the real deal!”

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After Election Of Socialist Obrador, Will Mexico Morph Into Venezuela-Style Failed State?
Mexico Votes: Beset by corruption, poverty and endemic violence, Mexican voters sent a message of desperation on Sunday by voting overwhelmingly to make socialist Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador their next president. This is bad for the U.S., but even worse for Mexico.

President Trump did the neighborly thing in congratulating Obrador on his victory and pledged to work with him. But in fact Obrador's win bodes ill for future relations.

His talking points for the policies he'll pursue once in office sound much more like Venezuela's late socialist dictator Hugo Chavez than, say, Ronald Reagan or Margaret Thatcher.

For starters, Obrador vows to renationalize the oil industry, halt all cooperation with U.S. immigration laws, give amnesty to the drug cartels, boost farm subsidies and remove "multinational" investment in agriculture, encourage mass migration by Mexicans to the U.S., while using remittances from workers in the U.S. to fuel Mexican growth.
Hrm....perhaps Trump may use the balance of our trade deficit with Mexico to fund more of the wall...

U.S. Trade Deficit by Country, with Current Statistics and Issues
...
China - $636 billion traded with a$375 billion deficit.
Canada - $582 billion traded with an$18 billion deficit.
Mexico - $557 billion traded with a$71 billion deficit.
Japan - $204 billion traded with a$69 billion deficit.
Germany - $171 billion traded with a$65 billion deficit.
No where near as big as China, but it is not insignificant....

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Then Skank Of America could start in...

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Got a pal who "bought" a proplerty in Mex. I say "bought" because foreigners evidentially cannot own property (another lesson we can learn from a foreign country) do one buys it thru a mexiacn national. Always sounded dodgy to me but it's not my money so who cares. Anyway, it seems to me that people like my pay are now exposed. Anybody know anything about that?
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ed:

Of all zee gringos eet has been my great honor to interrogate, ju are een zee deepest chit.
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