USA spent more reconstructing Afghanistan than Marshall plan

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USA spent more reconstructing Afghanistan than Marshall plan

Post by Giz » Fri Aug 01, 2014 6:01 pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/1100 ... -cost.html

Wow, in today's money we have spent 109 billion rebuilding Afghanistan compared to 103 billion rebuilding Europe in Marshall aid (in today's money; in olde timers money Marshall aid distributions totaled 13 billion).

The big shocker is that there is supposedly so much stuff worth rebuilding over there.

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Re: USA spent more reconstructing Afghanistan than Marshall

Post by Rob Lister » Fri Aug 01, 2014 6:26 pm

Europeans were not as clueless. And the rules changed (we got rules).

Under the Lister Plan, we'd have burned their villages (500 million), and salted their fields (1 billion).

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Re: USA spent more reconstructing Afghanistan than Marshall

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sat Aug 02, 2014 12:37 am

Subject line is inaccurate.

Should be:
USA spent more doing whatever the fuck it is in Afghanistan than on the Marshall Plan.

Before you can have something genuinely Marshall-Plan-like, the war must be over.
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Re: USA spent more reconstructing Afghanistan than Marshall

Post by Anaxagoras » Sun Aug 03, 2014 1:47 pm

I assume that the $109 billion figure excludes the costs for military operations.

One of the things that got built:

A brand-new U.S. military headquarters in Afghanistan. And nobody to use it.
The U.S. military has erected a 64,000-square-foot headquarters building on the dusty moonscape of southwestern Afghanistan that comes with all the tools to wage a modern war. A vast operations center with tiered seating. A briefing theater. Spacious offices. Fancy chairs. Powerful air conditioning.

Everything, that is, except troops.

The windowless, two-story structure, which is larger than a football field, was completed this year at a cost of $34 million. But the military has no plans to ever use it. Commanders in the area, who insisted three years ago that they did not need the building, now are in the process of withdrawing forces and see no reason to move into the new facility.

For many senior officers, the unused headquarters has come to symbolize the staggering cost of Pentagon mismanagement: As American troops pack up to return home, U.S.-funded contractors are placing the finishing touches on projects that are no longer required or pulling the plug after investing millions of dollars.

In Kandahar province, the U.S. military recently completed a $45 million facility to repair armored vehicles and other complex pieces of equipment. The space is now being used as a staging ground to sort through equipment that is being shipped out of the country.

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Re: USA spent more reconstructing Afghanistan than Marshall

Post by Skeeve » Sun Aug 03, 2014 2:03 pm

:eekeyes:
Anaxagoras wrote:I assume that the $109 billion figure excludes the costs for military operations.

One of the things that got built:

A brand-new U.S. military headquarters in Afghanistan. And nobody to use it.
The U.S. military has erected a 64,000-square-foot headquarters building on the dusty moonscape of southwestern Afghanistan that comes with all the tools to wage a modern war. A vast operations center with tiered seating. A briefing theater. Spacious offices. Fancy chairs. Powerful air conditioning.

Everything, that is, except troops.

The windowless, two-story structure, which is larger than a football field, was completed this year at a cost of $34 million. But the military has no plans to ever use it. Commanders in the area, who insisted three years ago that they did not need the building, now are in the process of withdrawing forces and see no reason to move into the new facility.

For many senior officers, the unused headquarters has come to symbolize the staggering cost of Pentagon mismanagement: As American troops pack up to return home, U.S.-funded contractors are placing the finishing touches on projects that are no longer required or pulling the plug after investing millions of dollars.

In Kandahar province, the U.S. military recently completed a $45 million facility to repair armored vehicles and other complex pieces of equipment. The space is now being used as a staging ground to sort through equipment that is being shipped out of the country.

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In northern Afghanistan, the State Department last year abandoned plans to occupy a large building it had intended to use as a consulate. After spending more than $80 million and signing a 10-year lease, officials determined the facility was too vulnerable to attacks.
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Re: USA spent more reconstructing Afghanistan than Marshall

Post by Pyrrho » Sun Aug 03, 2014 7:54 pm

Why do you hate global engineering and construction companies?
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Re: USA spent more reconstructing Afghanistan than Marshall plan

Post by Witness » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:51 am

Trump Demands That Reports on Waste and Fraud in Afghanistan Be “Locked Up”

The move would end a government watchdog’s decadelong public accounting of reconstruction funds.

President Donald Trump’s tenuous relationship with the military he commands took another awkward turn last week when he ordered the Pentagon to block the publication of independent reports that have been harshly critical of reconstruction efforts in Afghanistan.

“What kind of stuff is this?” he asked during a televised meeting with his Cabinet, suggesting that information released by the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR) could be a security risk. “The enemy reads those reports; they study every line of it…. I don’t want it to happen anymore, Mr. Secretary. You understand that.”

Over the past 11 years, SIGAR has probed the management of the more than $130 billion spent in Afghanistan, holding the United States and its Afghan partners accountable for embezzlement and waste in what has became the most expensive reconstruction effort in American history. By its own estimation, the office has recovered more than $951 million from fines and settlements. Its most recent report, released in October, contained the startling conclusion that Afghan government forces now control the least amount of territory of any point in the past three years.

While nearly every federal agency has an inspector general, an auditor who investigates claims of misconduct and, on occasion, refers matters to the Justice Department for prosecution, Congress set up SIGAR to be more independent. Even though many of its staffers are drawn from the Department of Defense, it is run separately from the Pentagon. However, acting Secretary of Defense Patrick Shanahan has the legal ability to order its reports classified, according to Mandy Smithberger of the Project on Government Oversight. The organization sent a letter to Shanahan last week urging him to reject Trump’s order, warning of an “an unprecedented and dangerous attempt to silence these important watchdogs.”
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/20 ... ify-sigar/

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Re: USA spent more reconstructing Afghanistan than Marshall plan

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:00 am

Fuck.
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Re: USA spent more reconstructing Afghanistan than Marshall plan

Post by Skeeve » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:10 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:00 am
Fuck.
So much for the war that George dubya, and Barry no-balls got us into and kept us into for how long?
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Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:24 pm

Oh and did you hear the latest news about Syria?

I thought we were withdrawing. Isn't that what the Mattis resignation was all about? Now it seems that may not be happening anytime soon either.

As far as Afghanistan goes, there will never be a good time to withdraw and leave behind a stable government that can prevent the Taliban from taking power after we leave.

It's like Vietnam that way.
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Re: USA spent more reconstructing Afghanistan than Marshall plan

Post by Doctor X » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:36 pm

Except we did not refuse to support a popular government only to support a corrupt one then assassinate it, despite its relative effectiveness.

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Re: USA spent more reconstructing Afghanistan than Marshall plan

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:47 pm

Which "popular government" did we refuse to support in Vietnam?
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Post by Doctor X » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:54 pm

Ho Chi Min.

He was inspired by the Declaration of Independence, and his primary purpose, which we failed to support, was to kill the French. Since he was slightly "commie," JFK--possibly Eisenhower before him but I cannot be arsed to look--refused to support him. So he turned to the alternative.

In the great game of proxy war, JFK chose to support Diem until he became too damn embarrassing.

Then we sent in John Wayne.

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Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:04 pm

Ah, yes. Tragic. At the time, yes, this was all covered in Ken Burns' documentary. There was the whole "who lost China" to the commies thing. It was for domestic political reasons that we couldn't or wouldn't support Ho Chi Minh. Nobody wanted to let the other side accuse them of being too soft on communism. Losing China to Mao still stung too much.
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