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Re: Brexit

Post by Doctor X » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:41 pm

The problem is there is no clear majority that agrees on "what" Brexit should be, leaving aside about half the country that did not want to leave. Trying to form a compromise between the various groups that comprised the ~51% that want out is worse than herding cats with a fire hose.

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Re: Brexit

Post by Giz » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:05 pm

Well, Theresa May did say that EU leaders would come to realize that she was "bloody awkward". We just thought she'd be making it awkward for them.

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Re: Brexit

Post by asthmatic camel » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:27 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:05 am
General questions about the UK system and "no confidence" votes and such:

If the Tories just choose a new party leader why must they also have a general election?
How long is it possible to go without a general election even if all is copacetic (unlike the US regular as clockwork system)?
They mustn't, although the new PM would have to win a vote of confidence within 14 days. If he/she fails to do so, a general election must be called.

We now have fixed-term parliaments of 5 years, (introduced in 2011.)
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Re: Brexit

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:41 pm

asthmatic camel wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:27 pm
We now have fixed-term parliaments of 5 years, (introduced in 2011.)
No more Long Parliaments, then. 8)
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Re: Brexit

Post by Giz » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:30 pm

May has survived. Albeit barely (so a "rump parliament " if you will Abdul).

So parliament has sent back the dinner but kept the cook.

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Re: Brexit

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:13 am

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46899466
UK Prime Minister Theresa May has seen off a bid to remove her government from power, winning a no confidence vote by 325 to 306.

Rebel Tory MPs and the DUP - who 24 hours earlier rejected the PM's Brexit plan by a huge margin - voted to keep her in Downing Street.

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn argued that Mrs May's "zombie" administration had lost the right to govern.

Mrs May will be making a statement from Downing Street at around 2200 GMT.

The PM won the vote by a margin of 19, including 10 votes from the DUP. Had the party voted against her, she would have lost by one.
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Re: Brexit

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Re: Brexit

Post by asthmatic camel » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:43 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:41 pm
asthmatic camel wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:27 pm
We now have fixed-term parliaments of 5 years, (introduced in 2011.)
No more Long Parliaments, then. 8)
There was already a five-year limit. The 2011 act was introduced by David Cameron's minority government to help ensure his grip on power with the help of Liberal Democrat support.
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Re: Brexit

Post by Doctor X » Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:19 am

Now, now, Anax, it was to remove the power to dissolve it at any moment.

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Re: Brexit

Post by Skeeve » Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:11 pm

Something worth considering. If you are "out" of the EU, you may not have to deal with their high court.

See recent post by ed.
ed wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:19 pm
Mohammad was a fucking pedophile and if he were alive today he'd be in the slammer getting ass raped by many a beefy black dude. And liking it.
Now ... given this:
Europe Court Upholds Ruling Against Woman Who Insulted Islam
Human rights court says disparagement of religious doctrines such as insulting the Prophet Muhammad isn’t protected by freedom of expression
By Bojan Pancevski
Oct. 26, 2018 2:57 p.m. ET
Europe’s highest human rights court ruled on Friday that disparagement of religious doctrines such as insulting the Prophet Muhammad isn’t protected by freedom of expression and can be prosecuted.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/europe-cou ... 1540580231
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Re: Brexit

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Re: Brexit

Post by Witness » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:10 am

Brexit: Theresa May baffles EU by asking for nothing

Theresa May has stunned her European counterparts by failing to make any new Brexit demands — despite her own plan being overwhelmingly rejected by MPs.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/le ... f3f21614e6

A longer version:

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Re: Brexit

Post by Witness » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:01 am

From two years ago:

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How time flies... :mrgreen:

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Re: Brexit

Post by Giz » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:13 am

Was she in her pj's?

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Re: Brexit

Post by WildCat » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:01 am

Witness wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:01 am
From two years ago:

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How time flies... :mrgreen:
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Re: Brexit

Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:05 am

Theresa May Offered Plan B for Brexit. It Looks a Lot Like the Defeated Plan A.
After her Brexit plan went down to the most resounding defeat in modern British history, Prime Minister Theresa May was told to come back with a Plan B.

She did that Monday.

But her Plan B looked a lot like Plan A, setting the stage for another battle royale with rebellious British lawmakers over Brexit, or the process of withdrawing Britain from the European Union.

Even though her plan was defeated in Parliament last week by 230 votes, Mrs. May told lawmakers on Monday that she still hoped to win them over by negotiating changes to the plan that many regard as cosmetic.

She told lawmakers that she could not rule out the possibility of leaving the European Union without any agreement, even though preventing that outcome is probably the one thing that a healthy majority in Parliament can agree on as a course of action.

She also said she did not believe there was a majority in Parliament for a second referendum that could reverse the whole process of withdrawal.

And she rejected the option of pivoting toward a model of Brexit that keeps closer ties to the European Union, an option more attractive to opposition lawmakers.

Instead, she appeared to double down on her gamble that, as the March 29 deadline for exiting the bloc approaches, lawmakers in Parliament will hold their noses and vote for her unpopular plan for fear of the alternatives — a no-deal Brexit or no Brexit at all.

Given the scale of last week’s defeat in Parliament, Mrs. May’s response frustrated many lawmakers, including Sarah Wollaston, a Conservative, who wrote on Twitter that it was “like last week’s vote never happened.”

“Plan B is Plan A,” she said.

That has left the process more or less where it has been for months, with Mrs. May locked in a game of brinkmanship with opponents at home and in Brussels as the clock ticks down with no obvious solution in sight.
Why don't they take votes on other options?
"She told lawmakers that she could not rule out the possibility of leaving the European Union without any agreement, even though preventing that outcome is probably the one thing that a healthy majority in Parliament can agree on as a course of action."
Then why not put it to a vote?
She also said she did not believe there was a majority in Parliament for a second referendum that could reverse the whole process of withdrawal.
Then why not put it to a vote?

Same for all the other ideas out there. Have votes on each of them in turn. If there's no majority for any of them, then try with the Plans C, D, and so on.

Does this make any sense?
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Re: Brexit

Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:50 am

Meanwhile, some people really do want a no-deal Brexit. (And Theresa May herself used to be fond of saying that "No deal is better than a bad deal.")

England’s rebel spirit is rising – and it wants a no-deal Brexit (The Irish Times)
In the face of political stasis, the seductive myth of Britain standing alone against its oppressors is taking hold
In my innocence, I didn’t expect many people to be in a central Portsmouth Wetherspoon’s at 10.30am on a Friday morning. But there they all were, in their droves: passionate supporters of Brexit, there to hear the pub chain’s founder and chairman, Tim Martin, make the case for Britain leaving the EU with no deal. Martin has been on the road since November, with the aim of visiting at least 100 of his boozers. The day we crossed paths, he was traversing the south coast, moving on to Southampton and Weymouth: given that it has whetted the appetite of what remains of the country’s local press, drawn large crowds and shifted huge amounts of food and drink, the whole thing looks to have been an unlikely success.

Martin’s case was unconvincing to the point of tedium: a half-argument that ignored what a no-deal Brexit would mean for British exports, and too blithely dismissed all those concerns about supply chains, and chaos at UK ports, let alone what a no-deal scenario would mean for the island of Ireland. But on the level of political sociology, the spectacle presented was compelling: the hardest of the Brexit hardcore, many of them on the pints and riled to snapping point before the speech even got going, and then taken into incandescence by the posse of local Liberal Democrats interrupting Martin’s speech at every turn.

It is quite an experience, watching people repeatedly yell at each other about trade tariffs before they have had their lunch. Even after Martin had put down his microphone, a fierce debate continued. Meanwhile, very familiar mutterings punctuated the argy-bargy, and took the argument out of the realms of politics, into a mish-mash of culture and history: the second World War, the supposedly perfidious Germans, the idea that if we prospered before 1972, why can we not do so again?

Last Thursday, the BBC’s Question Time was broadcast from Derby, where an endorsement for no deal from the writer Isabel Oakeshott triggered mass whoops and cheers, and yet another explosion of Brexit noise on Twitter. The truth that brief moment underlined is obvious: whatever the warnings from politicians, many people currently support the nightmarish prospect of the UK leaving the EU without any formal agreement.
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Re: Brexit

Post by Witness » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:58 am

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And this:
P&O to change flag of UK ships to Cyprus ahead of Brexit

LONDON (Reuters) - British ferry and shipping freight operator P&O will shift the registration of its UK vessels to Cyprus ahead of Britain’s departure from the European Union, in part to keep its tax arrangements in the bloc, the company said on Tuesday.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-brit ... SKCN1PG1KA

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Re: Brexit

Post by Witness » Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:02 am

Sony to move Europe headquarters to avoid Brexit disruption

The company said the move would help it avoid customs issues tied to Britain's exit from the EU.

Despite the move, Sony won't shift personnel and operations from the existing UK operations.

It is the latest Japanese company to flag a move to the continent in response to Brexit.

And on Tuesday appliance maker Dyson announced it was moving its headquarters to Singapore, from Malmesbury in Wiltshire, although it said it had nothing to do with Brexit.
[…]
Sony's rival Panasonic has already moved its headquarters to Amsterdam, mostly because of tax issues potentially created by Brexit.

Both companies say the decision is unlikely to have a major impact on jobs in the UK.

When Panasonic announced its move, it said "fewer than approximately 10" people would be affected out of a staff of 30.
[…]
Several Japanese firms, including Nomura Holdings, Daiwa Securities and Sumitomo Mitsui Financial Group, have said they plan to move their main EU bases out of London.

Japanese bank Norinchukin announced earlier this month that it would set up a wholly-owned subsidiary in the Netherlands in response to Brexit and other economic changes in Europe.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46968720

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Re: Brexit

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:29 am

Witness wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:02 am
Sony to move Europe headquarters to avoid Brexit disruption

The company said the move would help it avoid customs issues tied to Britain's exit from the EU.

Despite the move, Sony won't shift personnel and operations from the existing UK operations.

It is the latest Japanese company to flag a move to the continent in response to Brexit.

And on Tuesday appliance maker Dyson announced it was moving its headquarters to Singapore, from Malmesbury in Wiltshire, although it said it had nothing to do with Brexit.
[…]
Sony's rival Panasonic has already moved its headquarters to Amsterdam, mostly because of tax issues potentially created by Brexit.

Both companies say the decision is unlikely to have a major impact on jobs in the UK.

When Panasonic announced its move, it said "fewer than approximately 10" people would be affected out of a staff of 30.
[…]
Several Japanese firms, including Nomura Holdings, Daiwa Securities and Sumitomo Mitsui Financial Group, have said they plan to move their main EU bases out of London.

Japanese bank Norinchukin announced earlier this month that it would set up a wholly-owned subsidiary in the Netherlands in response to Brexit and other economic changes in Europe.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46968720
Sounds to me like, this is largely a paper change. Which one of our several offices in different countries are we going to call "headquarters" for legal or tax reasons.
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