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Re: Brexit

Post by Witness » Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:10 am

Anaxagoras wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:29 am
Sounds to me like, this is largely a paper change. Which one of our several offices in different countries are we going to call "headquarters" for legal or tax reasons.
Of course. The situation is a tad unclear right now (British understatement), so they get ready for any outcome.


Airbus Threat to Quit U.K. Over Brexit Adds to Risk of Exodus

Airbus SE said it might be forced to move future investments out of the U.K. in the event of a no-deal divorce from the European Union, slamming the “madness” of Brexit supporters who assume the planemaker won’t abandon Britain.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -leave-u-k
Brexit: Dutch government says over 250 companies in talks about relocating to Netherlands

More than 250 companies are in touch with the Dutch government about moving to the Netherlands because of Brexit, officials have said.

The trade and investment arm of the country’s government has been soliciting moves from companies worried about access to the EU market, with Britain set to leave the single market and customs union.

A number of high-profile companies have already announced a decision to cross the North Sea, most recently Japanese electronics giant Sony specifically citing Brexit. Last year Panasonic also announced it was moving to Amsterdam.
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Re: Brexit

Post by Witness » Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:52 am

We are not amused:
Queen's #Brexit message to UK politicians: end your bickering

London - Queen Elizabeth has sent a delicately coded message to Britain's fractious political class over Brexit, urging lawmakers to seek common ground and grasp the big picture to resolve the crisis.

With the clock ticking down to March 29, the date set in law for Britain to leave the European Union, the United Kingdom is in the deepest political crisis in half a century as it grapples with how, or even whether, to exit the European project it joined in 1973.

While Elizabeth, 92, did not mention Brexit explicitly in an annual speech to her local Women's Institute in Norfolk, the monarch said every generation faced "fresh challenges and opportunities."

"As we look for new answers in the modern age, I for one prefer the tried and tested recipes, like speaking well of each other and respecting different points of view; coming together to seek out the common ground, and never losing sight of the bigger picture," the queen said.

Though steeped in the conventional language the queen has made her hallmark, the remarks in the context of Britain's crisis are a signal to politicians to sort out the turmoil that has pushed the world's fifth largest economy to the brink.
https://www.iol.co.za/news/world/queens ... g-18965391

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Re: Brexit

Post by Witness » Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:59 pm

Doom predictions starting:
UK firms plan mass exodus if May allows no-deal Brexit

Business group warns that companies are getting ready to shift operations abroad

Thousands of British companies have already triggered emergency plans to cope with a no-deal Brexit, with many gearing up to move operations abroad if the UK crashes out of the EU, according to the British Chambers of Commerce.

Before a crucial week in parliament, in which MPs will try to wrest control from Theresa May’s government in order to delay Brexit and avoid a no-deal outcome, the BCC said it believed companies that had already gone ahead with their plans represented the “tip of the iceberg” and that many of its 75,000 members were already spending vital funds to prepare for a disorderly exit.

It said that in recent days alone, it had been told that 35 firms had activated plans to move operations out of the UK, or were stockpiling goods to combat the worst effects of Brexit.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... us-no-deal
Martial law plans looked at in case of no-deal Brexit

Preparations are being looked at for the possible imposition of martial law after a no-deal Brexit, it has emerged.

The move has been described by sources as the civil service “prepping” for all possibilities.

The revelation came as further Government splits emerged over whether Britain should quit the EU without an agreement as Defence Minister Tobias Ellwood broke ranks and insisted a no deal scenario must be ruled out.
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-01-27/mar ... al-brexit/

Martial law?!? :shock: Will AC be drafted in the Landsturm? :mrgreen:

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Re: Brexit

Post by Witness » Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:12 am

EU has Brexit message for May: Decide what you want

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Union has a message for Prime Minister Theresa May as she plots a path out of the Brexit impasse: Britain needs to decide what it really wants but the negotiated divorce deal will not be reopened.

[…]

“It is quite a challenge to see how you can construct from a diversity of the opposition a positive majority for the deal,” EU deputy chief negotiator Sabine Weyand told a Brussels conference organized by the European Policy Centre think-tank.

In a note of criticism of May’s strategy, she said there appeared to be a lack of “ownership” in Britain of the agreement struck between the two sides in November, and that there was insufficient transparency in the prime minister’s moves.

“There will be no more negotiations on the Withdrawal Agreement,” said Weyand, a German senior civil servant at the European Commission, reiterating the EU stance.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brit ... SKCN1PM0LL

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Re: Brexit

Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:14 am

There's a simple solution, which, although I don't have a crystal ball, I believe will end up being what happens, one way or another.

The EU has said that "the UK could stop the article 50 process without seeking EU approval." Theresa May has "ruled that out" but she could reconsider as the deadline approaches and nobody wants her deal.

The EU isn't willing to renegotiate the terms, and Parliament has rejected the deal. If we assume that the deal is off the table, that leaves only two remaining choices: stop the article 50 process or leave the EU with no deal at all. The former choice would essentially be "kicking the can down the road" because it leaves open the possibility of restarting the process at a later date. You could have a second referendum on the issue or whatever. The later choice is probably final and leaves the UK with no leverage at all. (If in the future there was a majority in favor of rejoining the EU, they would have to apply for membership again, and all 27 EU member states would have veto power over that).

So, faced with a choice between "kick the can" and "jump off a cliff", ultimately they will choose the former, since it leaves the option of chosing the latter later.

Exactly how this will happen, and when, is still an open question, but I predict that the UK will still be in the EU on March 30th. (That's supposed to be the day after they leave as it currently stands.)
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Re: Brexit

Post by Doctor X » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:55 am

May was one of the "Leavers" even if she pretended otherwise. "No bottom!" as the Rt. Hon. Francis Urquhart would observe. This referendum was what she wanted as well as many others even in the Labour Party. Mad Uncle Jeremy waffled probably hoping it would doom the Tories without realizing that he would then be stuck with the outcome as well.

Anyways, as I have said, the problem with the Brexiters is they never had a coherent view of "what" exactly that meant. So once they got "it," they could not define "it." Bloviating fools like Boris Johnson were all happy to claim that if one simply "got it," then Ponies for Everyone. He, like the aptly named Sir Peter Bone, are left with the "it will all be awesome once we just leave!"

The issue of the Irish border was obvious, but the Leavers just sort of figured that somehow it would work itself out.

The EU--particularly Germany--and Italy . . . and Greece . . . oh and Belgium because, fuck Belgium--takes a lot of blame by trying to mandate its vision of human rights which progressively looked like appeasement to those who do not actually believe in human rights. Germany was happy to let in scores of unvetted masses figuring they would keep moving west. They did not. Now Germany is unhappy with that, particularly with large sections of masses that, surprise, surprise, do not actually want to be German. None of the EU--including still the UK--have ever had a very good record with assimilation.

That is just one social problem the UK citizens found irritating. That and if you thought getting Democrats and Republicans to work together beyond wondering how the process would help themselves politically and financially to the detriment of everyone else, you have not met a German, or a Frenchman, and certainly not a Montenegroan . . . Montenegroid . . . Montenigge[Right! Stop that!--Ed.].

All rather predictable.

The problem is that the solution requires compromise when none of the principles interested in the damn thing will compromise. In this way, it is like "border security." The problem of illegal immigration in the USA!USA!USA! is not going to "just go away" or "solve itself." And while sane solutions exist to balance security to keep Al Pacino out while providing permits for those who would like to just work, thank you, maybe then stay and add to our Walmart clientele with their kids able to go on welfare and vote Democrat, neither side wants the other to "win" along with significant elements not wishing to "give." So the "Just Build a Wall" types do not want anything else, just as the "just open the border to everyone!" do not care when drug gangs murder and rape, because they do not reach their affluent gated communities.

That and this is hard work that cannot be distilled into sound bites Sean Hannity and "Mika & Joe" can comprehend.

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Re: Brexit

Post by Giz » Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:13 pm

All this calumny against May.

She does have fixed ideals. Things she feels very strongly about. It’s just that they are:
- She should be PM
- don’t do anything that might risk being pm (especially in the short term)
- she should be PM

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Re: Brexit

Post by Doctor X » Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:06 pm

It was Her Turn?

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Re: Brexit

Post by Witness » Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:55 am

Nice frontpage:

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Re: Brexit

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:27 am

Instead of pissing and moaning, how about a toast to your freedom!

Champagne, imported of course.

From Bayonne. :mrgreen:
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Re: Brexit

Post by Witness » Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:12 am

Anaxagoras wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:14 am
There's a simple solution
I've seen this suggestion: all countries save the UK quit the EU and form a new alliance. :mrgreen:


Rolls gets German passport for jet engine designs ahead of Brexit

PARIS (Reuters) - Britain's Rolls-Royce has effectively moved the home for its best-known jet engine designs to Germany to avoid regulatory delays or sales disruption after Britain's European Union exit.

Rolls, one of the biggest names in British industry, said relocating the design approval process was a purely technical move and would not involve transferring jobs.

The move is the latest example of rebasing some activities to ensure smooth operations in the case of a 'no deal' Brexit when Britain is due to leave the bloc on March 29.

Officials say the move will make it easier for Rolls to continue to sell engines outside Europe following Brexit, which would otherwise have depended on new regulatory deals being struck between Britain and the nations of many airlines.

Aircraft safety and the design approvals process are among issues that Britain and the EU have yet to settle.
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Re: Brexit

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In other news:
Theresa May’s plan to bribe Labour MPs to back Brexit shows austerity was always a choice

Having long insisted that there is no money left, the Conservatives are always able to find resources for their political needs.

[big snip]

The passage of the withdrawal agreement requires the backing of enough Labour MPs to compensate for the opposition of Rees-Mogg and his allies. In a bid to secure opposition support, May is reportedly planning to offer Labour MPs local investment in Leave-voting areas such as former mining communities.

This represents the most desperate attempt at pork-barrel politics since the Prime Minister bought the parliamentary backing of the DUP for £1bn after the 2017 election. But the problem with this strategy is not merely that it is shameless bribery, it is that the Conservatives have spent the last decade telling the British public that there isn’t any money left.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/e ... was-always

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Re: Brexit

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:51 pm

Queen to be evacuated if Brexit turns ugly – reports
Teh Gruniad

Really a "Brexit" plan, or just the normal contingency pla that always must exist + a bit of editorializing? :roll:
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Re: Brexit

Post by Witness » Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:49 am

From Eastern Europe:

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Re: Brexit

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Shurely craft whine?

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Re: Brexit

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Queen to avoid Brexit chaos by applying for German passport

The Queen will be applying for a German passport in order to avoid the potentially harmful consequences of a ‘no-deal’ Brexit according to a Buckingham Palace spokesman.

Palace press attaché Brigadier Tarquin Ftang-Ftang Ponsonby-Psmythe (the second ‘P’ is silent) said that “As one knows, the Queen has German ancestry, which allows her to apply for a German passport so that she may remain an EU citizen.

“She is particularly concerned that a ‘no-deal’ Brexit will not allow her to park the royal yacht ‘HMS Yachty McYachtface’ at her favourite European watering holes such as St. Tropez and Rotterdam.

“By obtaining a German passport the Queen will be able to continue to holiday in style at the British tax-payers expense, without having to queue or apply for any visas.

Upon gaining German citizenship Her Majesty also intends to become Empress of Germany and march upon Britain to force the country back into the EU,” concluded the Brigadier, before adding, “The second ‘P’ is silent by the way. Don’t forget that bit.”
https://newsthump.com/2019/02/04/queen- ... -passport/

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Re: Brexit

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:06 am

A real Brexit requires eliminating all foreign rule, not just the EU.

Let her die in exile like her uncle Kaiser Bill.
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Re: Brexit

Post by Skeeve » Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:45 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:06 am
A real Brexit requires eliminating all foreign rule, not just the EU.

Let her die in exile like her uncle Kaiser Bill.
I think he was more of a great uncle...no?
...
Wilhelm's most contentious relationships were with his British relations. He craved the acceptance of his grandmother, Queen Victoria, and of the rest of her family.

Despite the fact that his grandmother treated him with courtesy and tact, his other relatives found him arrogant and obnoxious, and they largely denied him acceptance.
Oh well...

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Re: Brexit

Post by Witness » Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:55 am

It gets pathetic:
Brexit: May says she can get deal through with binding changes

Theresa May has told EU leaders she can get the Brexit deal through Parliament if they give her legally-binding changes to it.


The UK prime minister - who also vowed to deliver Brexit "on time" - was speaking after a series of meetings with top EU officials in Brussels.

European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker again ruled out the kind of changes Mrs May wants to see.

But the two sides agreed to further talks to break the deadlock.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47152035



Worth a click for the video, it's scathing.
This clip includes the last section on referendum in the event of a crash that BBC curiously left out.