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Re: Impeach Trump, already!

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:31 am

Won't get past the senate of course.
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Re: Impeach Trump, already!

Post by Anaxagoras » Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:40 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
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Won't get past the senate of course.
Remember when Obama was president and the Republicans controlled the House, and they voted to "repeal Obamacare" like 60 times or more?

I wonder why they bothered after the first time, or the tenth time or the 50th time?

But then when there was actually a Republican president, and Republicans also controlled the Senate, they didn't repeal Obamacare. :notsure:

Curious.

I expect Democrats will pass a lot of bills through the House that will never become law.
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Re: Impeach Trump, already!

Post by ed » Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:42 pm

It is theater.

The prime human directive applies to politicians too: survive
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Re: Impeach Trump, already!

Post by ed » Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:54 pm

I want to make a point. For all of their sanctimonious blatherings, Congressional approval is about half that of the hated and despised and infective Trump.

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Donald Trump's Presidential Job Approval Ratings
Approval rating Dates
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Most recent weekly average 39 Dec 17-22, 2018
Term average to date 39 Jan 20, 2017-present
High point, weekly average 45 Jan 20-29, 2017, and Jun 11-17, 2018
Low point, weekly average 35 four times, last on Dec 11-17, 2017
GALLUP
This is not something that any of these fuckers should be proud of but Pelosi et al should be very careful, more so than they were with Kavenaugh.
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Re: Impeach Trump, already!

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:23 pm

Approval rating of an institution is not directly comparable to that of an individual.

How does Trump (nationwide) compare to Maxine Waters (in her district)?
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Post by Skeeve » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:27 pm

New Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib curses out Trump in call for impeachment
New Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib curses out Trump in call for impeachment originally appeared on abcnews.go.com

It didn't take long for new Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib to introduce herself to President Donald Trump and the nation. And she did so in the most profane way possible.

Tlaib, who was sworn in as Michigan's representative from the 13th Congressional District on Thursday afternoon, was speaking at an event for progressive advocacy group MoveOn.org when she relayed a conversation with her son to the crowd: "And when your son looks at you and says, 'Momma, look you won, bullies don’t win,' and I said, 'Baby they don't,' because we’re gonna go in and impeach the motherf-----."
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Then Skank Of America could start in...

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Re: Impeach Trump, already!

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:45 pm

Looked up her picture.

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Not only does she talk dirty, she dresses like an absolute slut.

You can see her hair and everything. :MuhammadBoom:
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Re: Impeach Trump, already!

Post by corplinx » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:00 pm

Skeeve wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:27 pm
New Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib curses out Trump in call for impeachment
New Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib curses out Trump in call for impeachment originally appeared on abcnews.go.com

It didn't take long for new Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib to introduce herself to President Donald Trump and the nation. And she did so in the most profane way possible.

Tlaib, who was sworn in as Michigan's representative from the 13th Congressional District on Thursday afternoon, was speaking at an event for progressive advocacy group MoveOn.org when she relayed a conversation with her son to the crowd: "And when your son looks at you and says, 'Momma, look you won, bullies don’t win,' and I said, 'Baby they don't,' because we’re gonna go in and impeach the motherf-----."
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So, basically another seditious hick.

Btw, did you see that it is now confirmed McCain was behind leaking Hillary's "insurance policy" to Buzzfeed? Turns out he was a seditious hick as well. He leaked the dossier.

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Re: Impeach Trump, already!

Post by corplinx » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:29 pm

Could you imagine the press reaction if this deranged nutjob Tlain was a sitting republican congress person during Obama?

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Post by Nyarlathotep » Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:00 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:
I expect Democrats will pass a lot of bills through the House that will never become law.
I am ok with this outcome.
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Re: Impeach Trump, already!

Post by Doctor X » Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:39 pm

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Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:40 pm
But then when there was actually a Republican president, and Republicans also controlled the Senate, they didn't repeal Obamacare. :notsure:
Because they did not have 60 votes in the Senate.
Curious.
That you never heard of the filibuster?

How peculiar.

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Re: Impeach Trump, already!

Post by ed » Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:45 pm

Doctor X wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:39 pm
Anaxagoras wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:40 pm
But then when there was actually a Republican president, and Republicans also controlled the Senate, they didn't repeal Obamacare. :notsure:
Because they did not have 60 votes in the Senate.
Curious.
That you never heard of the filibuster?

How peculiar.

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What filibuster? Didn't the dems change the rules on that?
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Re: Impeach Trump, already!

Post by Anaxagoras » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:34 pm

ed wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:45 pm
Doctor X wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:39 pm
Anaxagoras wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:40 pm
But then when there was actually a Republican president, and Republicans also controlled the Senate, they didn't repeal Obamacare. :notsure:
Because they did not have 60 votes in the Senate.
Curious.
That you never heard of the filibuster?

How peculiar.

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What filibuster? Didn't the dems change the rules on that?
The majority can change the filibuster rules anytime they want. It would only take 51 votes too. That much has become clear.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option
The nuclear option is a parliamentary procedure that allows the United States Senate to override a rule – specifically the 60-vote rule to close debate – by a simple majority of 51 votes, rather than the two-thirds supermajority normally required to amend the rules. The option is invoked when the majority leader raises a point of order that only a simple majority is needed to close debate on certain matters. The presiding officer denies the point of order based on Senate rules, but the ruling of the chair is then appealed and overturned by majority vote, establishing new precedent.

This procedure effectively allows the Senate to decide any issue by simple majority vote, regardless of existing procedural rules such as Rule XXII which requires the consent of 60 senators (out of 100) to end a filibuster for legislation, and 67 for amending a Senate rule. The term "nuclear option" is an analogy to nuclear weapons being the most extreme option in warfare.

In November 2013, Senate Democrats led by Harry Reid used the nuclear option to eliminate the 60-vote rule on executive branch nominations and federal judicial appointments, but not for the Supreme Court.[1] In April 2017, Senate Republicans led by Mitch McConnell extended the nuclear option to Supreme Court nominations in order to end debate on the nomination of Neil Gorsuch.[2][3][4]

As of November 2018, a three-fifths majority vote is still required to end debates on legislation.[5]
So both parties have used the nuclear option already. Democrats to confirm appointments to the Executive branch and judicial branch other than the Supreme Court, then Republicans for the Supreme Court. This is why 60 votes are no longer needed to confirm a nominee to the Supreme Court.

There is no reason in principle why they can't use the same "nuclear option" to repeal Obamacare or to pass any other laws. So I think my comment is valid. The filibuster or 60-vote threshold is still in effect only because the senate majority allows it to remain in effect.
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Post by Doctor X » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:39 am

Do we really have to explain why there is a filibuster and why each party does not completely eliminate it the minute they take control?

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Post by Anaxagoras » Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:59 am

Just to refresh my own memory and your's, here's a summary of Republican efforts to repeal Obamacare since Trump took office:

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/o ... -obamacare

They could have done it without 60 votes using a process called "reconciliation". Ultimately they fell short because they couldn't get even 50 votes plus the VP to break a tie.
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:01 am

Anaxagoras wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:59 am
Just to refresh my own memory and your's, here's a summary of Republican efforts to repeal Obamacare since Trump took office ...
What they really want is to make it like it was before.

I won't bother with an argument either way about whether that would be desirable, because the real point is that it is impossible.
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Post by Doctor X » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:04 am

From your own linkypoo:
July 25: The Senate votes to begin debate on an ObamaCare repeal bill, with Vice President Pence breaking the tie. Returning to the Senate for the first time since his cancer diagnosis, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) blasts the process, urging the upper chamber to return to regular order.

Later that night, the Senate shoots down its repeal-and-replace bill on a procedural hurdle, and the legislation winds up needing 60 votes.
Given the Republicans denounced the Democrats forcing through Obamacare with "reconciliation" would you not deem them hypocrites for doing the same to get rid of it?

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Post by Anaxagoras » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:15 am

They are all hypocrites when it suits them. Both parties.

If enough senators had wanted to, the fear of being called a hypocrite would not have stopped them.

They did try to use reconciliation, but the votes weren't there.
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Post by Doctor X » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:32 am

The Son of Elohim is in the details: much like Brexit, you did not have a coherent approach agreed by a majority and, frankly, "reconciliation" was never an option.

A more coherent approach faced the 60 vote mark in the Senate which brings us right back to the beginning.

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Re: Impeach Trump, already!

Post by corplinx » Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:29 pm

The ignorance of members of the House of Reps is being celebrated by the media.

Them not understanding impeachment is more than political theatre. It's either ignorance or treason.

Or it would be if Republicans were doing it to Obama just because they hated him for... being black and "uppity"