The SJW war on us thread

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Re: The SJW war on us thread

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Re: The SJW war on us thread

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:11 am

Interesting read on "Social Justice" from Jonah Goldberg in NR:

The Problem with ‘Social Justice’

Also interesting is a response in the comments from a "Jean_Christophe_Jouffrey".
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Re: The SJW war on us thread

Post by xouper » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:22 am

Anaxagoras wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:11 am
Interesting read on "Social Justice" from Jonah Goldberg in NR:

The Problem with ‘Social Justice’

Also interesting is a response in the comments from a "Jean_Christophe_Jouffrey".
Jouffrey's comment is "interesting" if you prefer a long winded screed full of whining instead of a direct contribution to the topic being discussed, namely what exactly is "social justice". Jouffrey doesn't say what he thinks the correct definition is, nor does he attempt to explain why Goldberg's observations are unwarranted. Beyond suggesting that maybe we should read Taparelli to get the real definition, Jouffrey doesn't add anything of significance to the conversation. Nor does Jouffrey explain why Taparelli's definition is to be preferred. Perhaps that is why other people on the interwebs have called Jouffrey a troll.

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Re: The SJW war on us thread

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:56 am

xouper wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:22 am
Anaxagoras wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:11 am
Interesting read on "Social Justice" from Jonah Goldberg in NR:

The Problem with ‘Social Justice’

Also interesting is a response in the comments from a "Jean_Christophe_Jouffrey".
Jouffrey's comment is "interesting" if you prefer a long winded screed full of whining instead of a direct contribution to the topic being discussed, namely what exactly is "social justice". Jouffrey doesn't say what he thinks the correct definition is, nor does he attempt to explain why Goldberg's observations are unwarranted. Beyond suggesting that maybe we should read Taparelli to get the real definition, Jouffrey doesn't add anything of significance to the conversation. Nor does Jouffrey explain why Taparelli's definition is to be preferred. Perhaps that is why other people on the interwebs have called Jouffrey a troll.
I can see your point of view. It could just be intellectual posturing of the "I've read more books by 19th century European philosphers about this than you have" variety.

Fwiw:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_Taparelli
Luigi Taparelli SJ (born Prospero Taparelli d'Azeglio; 1793–1862) was an Italian Catholic scholar of the Society of Jesus who coined the term social justice.[1]
Taparelli cofounded the journal Civiltà Cattolica in 1850 and wrote for it for twelve years. He was particularly concerned with the problems arising from the industrial revolution. He was a proponent of reviving the philosophical school of Thomism, and his social teachings influenced Pope Leo XIII's 1891 encyclical, Rerum novarum (On the Condition of the Working Classes).

In 1825, he became convinced that the philosophy of Thomas Aquinas needed to be revived, thinking that the subjective philosophy of René Descartes leads to dramatic errors in morality and politics. He reasoned that whereas different opinions on the natural sciences have no effect on nature, unclear metaphysical ideas about humanity and society can lead to social chaos.

The Catholic Church had not yet developed a clear philosophical view regarding the great social changes that were appearing in the early nineteenth century in Europe, which led to much confusion among the ecclesiastical hierarchy and laity. In response to this problem, Taparelli applied the methods of Thomism to these social problems in a coherent manner.

After the social revolutions of 1848, the church decided to enter the conflict raging between the laissez-faire liberal capitalists and the socialists. Up until then, the church relied primarily on evangelical charitable activities. In 1850, Taparelli was granted permission by Pope Pius IX to co-found Civiltà Cattolica with Carlo Maria Curci. In particular, he attacked the tendency to separate morality from positive law, and also the "heterodox spirit" of unconstrained freedom of conscience which destroyed the unity of society.

His major ideas include sociality and subsidiarity. He viewed society as not a monolithic group of individuals, but of various levels of sub-societies, with individuals being members of these. Each level of society has both rights and duties which should be recognized and supported. All levels of society should cooperate rationally and not resort to competition and conflict.
Apparently his works have been published in Italian, French and Spanish, but not English.
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Re: The SJW war on us thread

Post by xouper » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:57 am

Anaxagoras wrote:
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I can see your point of view. It could just be intellectual posturing of the "I've read more books by 19th century European philosphers about this than you have" variety.
I could be wrong, but now that you put it that way, I am tempted to suspect that Jouffrey totally missed the point that Goldberg was trying to find if there is any modern consensus how the term "social justice" is actually used today, especially by so-called "social justice warriors" or other modern political activists. In that context, it would seem irrelevant how the term was used a hundred years ago, even if there are similarities.

I'm thinking maybe I'd like to read Noah Rothman's book.
Unfortunately, my local library does not (yet) have a copy.




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Re: The SJW war on us thread

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Re: The SJW war on us thread

Post by WildCat » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:26 am

Today there is a huge kerfuffle about a Fox News host who made a joke that he never washed his hands as he grabbed a slice of pizza from the table. Leftists, having no sense of humor whatsoever, thought he was serious and went into hysterics. This Tim pool video summarizes the insanity:



And the MSM wonders why people call them "fake news".
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:36 am

Are you 100% sure it's fake?

Or do you just want it to be fake? :BigGrin3:
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Re: The SJW war on us thread

Post by shuize » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:44 am

WildCat wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:26 am
Today there is a huge kerfuffle about a Fox News host who made a joke that he never washed his hands as he grabbed a slice of pizza from the table. Leftists, having no sense of humor whatsoever, thought he was serious and went into hysterics. This Tim pool video summarizes the insanity:



And the MSM wonders why people call them "fake news".
Time spent on shit like this is less time/space to talk about all the things reflecting badly on Democrats.

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:01 am

Not realizing it's a joke is completely understandable because it's totally not funny.
You really have to psychoanalyze 'em to know it's a joke.

Other unfunny humor (such as Seinfeld or Monty Python) gets by because it is clearly labelled "comedy".
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Re: The SJW war on us thread

Post by WildCat » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:17 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
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Not realizing it's a joke is completely understandable because it's totally not funny.
You really have to psychoanalyze 'em to know it's a joke.

Other unfunny humor (such as Seinfeld or Monty Python) gets by because it is clearly labelled "comedy".
It actually is funny in context. Which is he's sticking his hands in the community buffet while saying he never washes them.
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Re: The SJW war on us thread

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Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:01 am
Not realizing it's a joke is completely understandable because it's totally not funny.
You really have to psychoanalyze 'em to know it's a joke.
Not necessarily.

Some comments are so over the top you have to be an uptight politically correct gobermouch not to get that it was not meant to be taken seriously.

This is one of those kinds of comments. I mean, seriously, as WC observed, who sticks their hands in the pizza box after making a point of announcing they haven't washed their hands?

"Germs are not a real thing." Seriously, how can you not know that's a joke in the context he said it?

Secondly, I'll wager that significant percentage of people would test positive for traces of fecal matter on their hands. That shit is everywhere you go, on doorknobs, McDonald's kiosk touch screens, public restrooms, etc.

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Other unfunny humor (such as Seinfeld or Monty Python) gets by because it is clearly labelled "comedy".
Sorry, that's not correct. Monty Python can be immensely humourous.

How can anyone say this isn't funny:



Perhaps this explains why Adbul doesn't get the joke about washing his hands. He doesn't get lots of obvious humor.

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Re: The SJW war on us thread

Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:15 am

WildCat wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:17 am
Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:01 am
Not realizing it's a joke is completely understandable because it's totally not funny.
You really have to psychoanalyze 'em to know it's a joke.

Other unfunny humor (such as Seinfeld or Monty Python) gets by because it is clearly labelled "comedy".
It actually is funny in context. Which is he's sticking his hands in the community buffet while saying he never washes them.
I'm going to say "not funny". I know my wife would agree.

Disagree about Seinfeld and Python though.
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also found Seinfeld and Monty Python unfunny.

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:21 pm

Monty Python, unlike Seinfeld, is occasionally funny.

But their "classic" routines are not. Cheese shop, dead parrot, etc.
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Post by ed » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:02 pm

Herr Hilter? That is comedic gold.
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Post by xouper » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:13 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
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Monty Python, unlike Seinfeld, is occasionally funny.

But their "classic" routines are not. Cheese shop, dead parrot, etc.
If you are saying they are not funny to you, then I will accept that. It should come as no surprise that different people have different tastes in music, comedy, food, and other arts. I see no reason, however, to let you (or anyone else) define for me what is funny or not. Why should I care what you think. To me, the Cheese shop bit is quite funny. And to me — and apparently to all those other people who are to blame for its high viewership numbers season after season — Seinfeld is funny on a whole bunch of levels. Those who don't think it's funny, well then don't watch it. Duh.

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:21 pm

Seinfeld is a "comedy" about Jews who think they are funny in a universe where there in no God. In such a universe, New York Italians might as well be Jewish.

Mostly doing shtick that wasn't funny at the Nevele in 1956 or in Drohychin in 1856.

Just a little too close to home for me. :BigGrin3:
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Post by ed » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:10 pm

Shtick? You want shtick? Don't get me started.
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Re: The SJW war on us thread

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:30 pm

ed wrote:
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Shtick? You want shtick? Don't get me started.
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Oy vay.
So you admit it's not funny? 8)
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