Venezuela Meltdown

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by ed » Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:47 am

Do you think that the ruling class folks are ok though? I worry about them.
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Giz » Fri Dec 28, 2018 3:07 pm

ed wrote:
Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:47 am
Do you think that the ruling class folks are ok though? I worry about them.
They’ll party like it’s 1989

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by ed » Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:00 pm

Oh good. I was quite worried.

As long as they are ok.
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by WildCat » Fri Dec 28, 2018 6:35 pm

shuize wrote:
Fri Dec 28, 2018 6:11 am
Another video I thought was interesting.



The two takeaways from this one:

Don't get injured in Venezuela. At 21:00 minutes the police bring a guy to a hospital for a gunshot wound to the hand, but the hospital turns him away because they don't have supplies to stitch a wound.

Don't get arrested in Venezuela. Just don't. At 22:00 minutes you can see why.
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Giz » Fri Dec 28, 2018 7:26 pm

The pot of gold is always just over the horizon

The bodies of the kulaks are always the mistakes of the past

One more try

One more time

And again

This time it will work, promise!

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Rob Lister » Fri Dec 28, 2018 7:28 pm

Grammatron wrote:
Fri Dec 28, 2018 3:20 am
But how does it keep going?
It isn't going. It's just surviving (barter, begging, charity) in absence of the bad decorum of take-over.

I suppose you can thank the UN for that.

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Giz » Fri Dec 28, 2018 7:31 pm

Rob Lister wrote:
Fri Dec 28, 2018 7:28 pm
Grammatron wrote:
Fri Dec 28, 2018 3:20 am
But how does it keep going?
It isn't going. It's just surviving (barter, begging, charity) in absence of the bad decorum of take-over.

I suppose you can thank the UN for that.
All they need to complete the abuse of the population, is to have the blue helmets show up.

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by xouper » Fri Dec 28, 2018 9:52 pm

Giz wrote:
Fri Dec 28, 2018 7:26 pm
This time it will work, promise!
Exactly.

And that reminds me of an old joke. But I'll get to that in a moment.

When shown examples of failed socialism, defenders of socialism always seem to say, well, they just weren't doing it right.

I have news for them. There is no right way. Socialism is a fundamentally flawed idea no matter how they try to do it.

OK, here's the joke:
A young woman was about to finish her first year of college...

Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words, redistribution of wealth.

She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school.

Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.

Her father listened then asked, "How is your friend Audrey doing?"

She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties, and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over."

Her father asked her, "Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend Audrey, who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, "That's a crazy idea. How would that be fair? I've worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work. Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!"

The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, "Welcome to the Republican Party."

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Witness » Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:22 am

El Nacional ends print publication as Maduro tightens his siege of the Venezuelan press

News media sued for publishing the truth.

Newspapers harassed until they stop publishing.

A journalist jailed for taking too-close photos of Venezuelan ruler Nicolas Maduro.

Those are the latest chapters in the systematic destruction of freedom of the press in Venezuela, a civil right vanishing as the Maduro dictatorship grows stronger.

The focus of the campaign this week was El Nacional newspaper, which announced Friday that it had ended 75 years of uninterrupted print publication, a victim of government pressures.

After withstanding the government harassment for several years, El Nacional finally reached “the breaking point,” deputy editor Elías Pino Iturrieta announced.

The newspaper will continue to post its reporting on its website, but the printed edition was abandoned because of government-imposed obstacles to obtaining newsprint and other supplies.

Pino said the decision was “the result of government pressures and the lack of freedom of expression.”
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In its last print edition, El Nacional noted that the Maduro regime has closed or forced editorial changes on at least 99 radio and TV stations and 33 newspapers, and legally prosecuted more than 50 journalists.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation ... nk=SecList

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by WildCat » Sat Dec 29, 2018 3:08 am

Witness wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:22 am
El Nacional ends print publication as Maduro tightens his siege of the Venezuelan press

News media sued for publishing the truth.

Newspapers harassed until they stop publishing.

A journalist jailed for taking too-close photos of Venezuelan ruler Nicolas Maduro.

Those are the latest chapters in the systematic destruction of freedom of the press in Venezuela, a civil right vanishing as the Maduro dictatorship grows stronger.

The focus of the campaign this week was El Nacional newspaper, which announced Friday that it had ended 75 years of uninterrupted print publication, a victim of government pressures.

After withstanding the government harassment for several years, El Nacional finally reached “the breaking point,” deputy editor Elías Pino Iturrieta announced.

The newspaper will continue to post its reporting on its website, but the printed edition was abandoned because of government-imposed obstacles to obtaining newsprint and other supplies.

Pino said the decision was “the result of government pressures and the lack of freedom of expression.”
[…]
In its last print edition, El Nacional noted that the Maduro regime has closed or forced editorial changes on at least 99 radio and TV stations and 33 newspapers, and legally prosecuted more than 50 journalists.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation ... nk=SecList
That pales in comparison to Trump calling CNN "fake news". Let's keep our eyes on the real threat to journalism here.
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Skeeve » Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:05 am

Giz wrote:
Fri Dec 28, 2018 7:26 pm
The pot of gold is always just over the horizon

The bodies of the kulaks are always the mistakes of the past

One more try

One more time

And again

This time it will work, promise!
That is right up there with "Honey, if you suck on my cock, I promise i won't cum in your mouth!"

:lol:
Then Skank Of America could start in...

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Witness » Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:51 pm

Venezuela murder rate dips, partly due to migration: monitoring group

CARACAS (Reuters) - The murder rate in Venezuela, one of the world’s highest-crime countries, dipped in 2018 as some criminals apparently joined millions of law-abiding compatriots in leaving the crisis-stricken country, a local crime monitoring group said in a report on Thursday.
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The Venezuelan Observatory of Violence (OVV) said in its annual report that Venezuela still had the world’s highest murder rate, 81.4 per 100,000 inhabitants, but it noted that figure was down from 89 in 2017 and 92 the year before. Director Roberto Briceño attributed the drop in part to migration.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-vene ... SKCN1OQ1GJ

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Giz » Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:53 pm

Wait.... “We have people coming into the country or trying to come in, we're stopping a lot of them, but we're taking people out of the country. You wouldn't believe how bad these people are," Is accurate? Or fake but true?

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Witness » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:31 pm

Former Venezuela Supreme Court judge flees to U.S., denounces Maduro

CARACAS (Reuters) - Former Venezuelan Supreme Court Justice Christian Zerpa has fled to the United States to protest President Nicolas Maduro’s second term that will begin with his inauguration this week, the onetime Maduro backer told a Miami broadcaster on Sunday.
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The Supreme Court confirmed in a statement that he had fled, referring to him as a former magistrate and adding it opened an investigation of him in November over accusations of sexual harassment by women in his office. The court’s leadership recommended that he be dismissed over the allegations, it said, without providing details.

Zerpa was for years a crucial ally of Maduro on the Supreme Court, which has backed the ruling Socialist Party in every major legal dispute since Maduro’s 2013 election.

He wrote a 2016 ruling that provided the legal justification for Maduro’s government to strip congress of most of its powers after the Socialist Party lost control of the body to the opposition in a landslide election.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-vene ... reddit.com

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by WildCat » Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:48 am

Witness wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:31 pm
Former Venezuela Supreme Court judge flees to U.S., denounces MaduroThe Supreme Court confirmed in a statement that he had fled, referring to him as a former magistrate and adding it opened an investigation of him in November over accusations of sexual harassment by women in his office.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-vene ... reddit.com
Maduro's government and Democrats in the USA really are indistinguishable in many ways.
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by ed » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:02 pm

Read this piece on how Venezuela lost their constitution.
https://www.vox.com/world/2017/5/1/1540 ... urt-crisis

It does bring to mind the FISA "court" ...
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Witness » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:58 pm

Venezuela national treasurer, TV magnate hit with U.S. sanctions

Bogota, Colombia

The United States slapped sanctions on seven prominent Venezuelans — including the owners of the Globovisión television station and nine Miami-based companies — for using the country’s byzantine currency exchange system to amass more than $2.4 billion in “corrupt proceeds.”

The sanctions issued Tuesday by the U.S. Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control are aimed at Venezuela’s former National Treasurer Claudia Patricia Díaz and television mogul and businessman Raúl Gorrín, who was indicted in U.S. courts in November, accused of bribing Venezuelan officials and money laundering.

Five other people and 23 companies related to the web of corruption were also sanctioned Tuesday. Among the assets targeted were Globovisión Tele C.A., a 24-hour news station that’s influential in Venezuela. That company, which Gorrín purchased in 2013, is registered in both Venezuela and Miami. However, the government said it was issuing a one-year general license that would allow the network “to continue operating by authorizing specific activities that would otherwise be prohibited.”

At the heart of the corruption scheme is Venezuela’s multi-tiered foreign exchange system that has allowed some to become fabulously wealthy even as the nation struggles to import food and medicine. According to the U.S. Treasury, Díaz and her predecessor, Alejandro Andrade, used their positions of power to handpick the currency exchange houses that the government did business with. While the national treasury traded in dollars at the official exchange rate, the currency exchange houses would then sell those dollars on the black market at much higher prices “resulting in massive profits.”
https://www.miamiherald.com/latest-news ... vlink=Lead

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by shuize » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:06 pm

Witness wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:31 pm

Former Venezuelan Supreme Court Justice Christian Zerpa has fled to the United States to protest President Nicolas Maduro’s second term ...

He wrote a 2016 ruling that provided the legal justification for Maduro’s government to strip congress of most of its powers after the Socialist Party lost control of the body to the opposition in a landslide election.
I'm not so sure this guy deserves asylum.

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Post by Doctor X » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:11 pm

shuize wrote:
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I'm not so sure this guy deserves asylum.
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Witness » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:30 am

shuize wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:06 pm
I'm not so sure this guy deserves asylum.
Agreed, send him back to Maduro for a Moscow Caracas trial.