Venezuela Meltdown

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Witness » Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:11 am

Venezuela: 12 charged in detention of opposition leader

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — Venezuelan authorities say 12 officials with the country’s intelligence agency will be tried for their role in the brief detention of an opposition leader whose confinement sparked international outrage as he ramps up pressure on President Nicolas Maduro.

Authorities announced Wednesday that a court in Venezuela’s capital has decided to keep the agents with the feared SEBIN intelligence police under arrest as they await trial on charges that include “illegitimate detention” and “abuse of functions.”

National Assembly president Juan Guaido was forced out a vehicle on his way to an anti-government rally Sunday and released within an hour.

Guaido has catapulted himself into the limelight after becoming the leader of the only branch of government controlled by the opposition. The assembly passed a resolution Tuesday accusing Maduro of “usurping” power.
https://www.apnews.com/3084176389994969bca3715d6f0ac717

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by shuize » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:50 pm

Maduro raises minimum wage to six dollars per month.

https://www.breitbart.com/news/maduro-r ... per-month/

And something about "A chicken in every pot!"

Of course, before they started chopping zeros off their currency, a chicken was running around 14 million bolivars.

A bit over two dollars.

But, on the bright side, this cost of living calculator says Venezuela is 68.73% lower than Japan. Even better, rent in Venezuela is 78.80% lower!

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/c ... =Venezuela

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Giz » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:55 pm

shuize wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:50 pm
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But, on the bright side, this cost of living calculator says Venezuela is 68.73% lower than Japan. Even better, rent in Venezuela is 78.80% lower!

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/c ... =Venezuela
A good tag line for any dictator:
"Life is cheap"

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Anaxagoras » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:06 am

Giz wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:55 pm
shuize wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:50 pm
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But, on the bright side, this cost of living calculator says Venezuela is 68.73% lower than Japan. Even better, rent in Venezuela is 78.80% lower!

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/c ... =Venezuela
A good tag line for any dictator:
"Life is cheap"
How do you even figure out something like "the cost of living" in a country where inflation is over 20,000%?
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:28 am

You don't "figure out" anything, you just ask some public official.

See how easy it is? ;)
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Grammatron » Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:18 am

Anaxagoras wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:06 am
Giz wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:55 pm
shuize wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:50 pm
.

But, on the bright side, this cost of living calculator says Venezuela is 68.73% lower than Japan. Even better, rent in Venezuela is 78.80% lower!

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/c ... =Venezuela
A good tag line for any dictator:
"Life is cheap"
How do you even figure out something like "the cost of living" in a country where inflation is over 20,000%?
Relative value of the barter network?

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Skeeve » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:35 pm

Venezuela gold holdings in Bank of England soar on Deutsche deal -sources
CARACAS, Jan 21 (Reuters) - Venezuela’s gold holdings in the Bank of England have jumped after it closed out a gold swap deal with Deutsche Bank, according to two sources, as Britain remains reluctant to release gold held for the troubled OPEC nation.

The government of Nicolas Maduro has since last year been seeking to repatriate about $550 million in gold from the Bank of England on fears it could be caught up in international sanctions on the country.

Its holdings at the bank more than doubled in December to 31 tonnes, or around $1.2 billion, after Venezuela returned funds it had borrowed from Deutsche Bank AG through a financing arrangement that uses gold as collateral, known as a swap, one of the sources said.

Under the deal struck with Deutsche Bank in 2015, Venezuela put up 17 tonnes of gold in exchange for a loan, according to one of the sources who asked not to be identified because it is not authorized to speak publicly about the issue.

The country’s gold holdings fell to 134 tonnes in November compared with 150 tonnes at the start of 2018, according to central bank statistics.

This is in part because Venezuela last year started carrying out gold barter operations with Turkey to import food following U.S. sanctions that have made international banks reluctant to handle Venezuelan transactions.
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Losing the gold would be a significant blow to the country’s finances by undermining Venezuela’s ability to obtain hard currency crucial to importing items ranging from food and medicine to auto parts and consumer electronics.

But refusing to hand over the gold, which belongs to Venezuela’s central bank, could cause alarm among countries that store their own bullion in the Bank of England’s coffers.
Oh my, yea I could see folks getting a bit nerveous about that....

Observation:
1 They have to buy and sell with gold because of what, sanctions?
2 Perhaps there may be more here than meets the eye (or our Lame Stream Media)....

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Skeeve » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:44 pm

Marco Rubio asks Donald Trump to recognize Juan Guaidó as president of Venezuela

There maybe something lost in translation (original in spanish)...
US Senator Marco Rubio urged US President Donald Trump to recognize the head of the National Assembly (AN) of Venezuela, Juan Guaidó , as the "legitimate president" of the country instead of Nicolás Maduro.

"We encourage the president (Trump) to go ahead with what he has already stated, which is that Maduro is illegitimate.The next logical step is to recognize the president of the National Assembly as the legitimate president," Rubio declared after meeting with the president. in the White House.
WTF is "little Marco" doing?
We are in the midst of a government shut down and this piss ant wants us to interfear in another country?

What a dick!
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Anaxagoras » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:55 pm

No, it's because that gold is one of the few things they have left to sell.
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Doctor X » Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:19 pm

Trump is recognizing the opposition leader as interim president.

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Witness » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:51 pm

The gold seeming woefully insufficient to solve Venezuela's problems, I think the Maduro tribe tries to cash in before fleeing to some cushy place. (Cuba? Nork? So many pleasant countries...)

Recent anti-Maduro protest (Caracas, I presume):

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Allegedly 16 killed in the country. (http://elpitazo.net/sucesos/16-personas ... -del-pais/)

Berlin (with Brandenburger Tor!):

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Madrid:

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A call to the army to get behind Juan Guaidó (Spanish):



Of course these soldiers are outside of Venezuela, so it's mostly symbolic. And you'll take all this with the necessary grain of salt.

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Skeeve » Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:38 pm

Witness wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:51 pm
The gold seeming woefully insufficient to solve Venezuela's problems, I think the Maduro tribe tries to cash in before fleeing to some cushy place. (Cuba? Nork? So many pleasant countries...)

Recent anti-Maduro protest (Caracas, I presume):

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Allegedly 16 killed in the country. (http://elpitazo.net/sucesos/16-personas ... -del-pais/)
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Interesting picture. Begs the question:
If Maduro is the 'ruthless dictator' they claim he is, where is the army?
You know, to put this 'demonstration' down?

Maybe the army is supporting the guy who declared himself president?
Venezuela defense minister disavows opposition president
CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuelan Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino said via Twitter on Wednesday that the country’s armed forces disavow any president who is self-proclaimed or imposed by “dark interests.”

That came hours after opposition leader Juan Guaido swore himself in as president in a challenge to President Nicolas Maduro.
Hrm....I guess not...

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:48 pm

If Maduro is the 'ruthless dictator' they claim he is, where is the army?
Standing down and no longer obeying, much like those East German border guards in Berlin on you know what day.
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by ed » Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:53 pm

Witness wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:51 pm
The gold seeming woefully insufficient to solve Venezuela's problems, I think the Maduro tribe tries to cash in before fleeing to some cushy place. (Cuba? Nork? So many pleasant countries...)

Recent anti-Maduro protest (Caracas, I presume):

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I thought that was Trumps inauguration. :P
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Skeeve » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:01 pm

U.S. backing of Venezuelan opposition comes with risks
Washington -- It has long been a priority of President Donald Trump's administration to pressure Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro to step down. But CBS News senior White House correspondent Major Garrett reports the White House's decision to formally back opposition leader Juan Guaido on Wednesday comes with risks, and could lead to more bloodshed and repression.

The chaos on the ground has continued unabated. Seven people were killed on Wednesday alone amid massive protests demanding Maduro step down. Security forces used tear gas and water cannon against demonstrators.
Gee, that would never happen here.....
Sources tell CBS News that Guaido swore himself in as interim president on Wednesday, and is laying low in Caracas. His whereabouts could not be confirmed on Thursday morning, but a close supporter denied in tweet reports that he had gone into hiding in the Colombian Embassy in Caracas.

Guaido, 35, is the head of Venezuela's legislature, called the National Assembly -- the last remaining democratic institution in the country.On Twitter, he thanked Mr. Trump for backing "the will of the Venezuelan people."
"The will of the people,' who did not vote for you.

Okay, so what is the "risk" here?
Looks like were just toppeling trying to topple another 3rd world dictator, right?
Shouldn't be a major problem, the CIA has been doing this shit for decades, right?
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But Maduro does still have major supporters, including China, and Russia and America's NATO ally Turkey, which have labeled Guaido's U.S.-endorsed attempt to take over leadership of the country a coup.
Oh!
Well come on, the Ruskies wont do anything stupid, right????

Russia: US military intervention in Venezuela would be 'catastrophic scenario'
The Russian government warned the Trump administration Thursday against military intervention in Venezuela, where opposition leader Juan Guaido declared himself interim president in an attempt to oust the country's President Nicholas Maduro.

Reuters reports that a Russian foreign ministry spokesperson warned of "catastrophic" consequences if the Trump administration were to send military assistance to Guaido to aid his bid to oust the socialist president.
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“We warn against such adventurism which is fraught with catastrophic consequences,” the foreign ministry said.

A Kremlin spokesman weighed in as well, according to the news service, accusing President Trump and his team of trying to undermine Venezuela's legitimate government.
Finally: Venezuela's Maduro says he is breaking diplomatic relations with U.S.
CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro said on Wednesday he was breaking diplomatic relations with the United States, after the Trump administration recognized opposition leader Juan Guaido as the South American country’s interim president.
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by ed » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:08 pm

Skeeve wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:01 pm

Okay, so what is the "risk" here?
Looks like were just toppeling trying to topple another 3rd world dictator, right?
Shouldn't be a major problem, the CIA has been doing this shit for decades, right?
...
But Maduro does still have major supporters, including China, and Russia and America's NATO ally Turkey, which have labeled Guaido's U.S.-endorsed attempt to take over leadership of the country a coup.
Oh!

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China, Russia and Turkey can pound sand.
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Skeeve » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:18 pm

ed wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:08 pm
Skeeve wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:01 pm

Okay, so what is the "risk" here?
Looks like were just toppeling trying to topple another 3rd world dictator, right?
Shouldn't be a major problem, the CIA has been doing this shit for decades, right?
...
But Maduro does still have major supporters, including China, and Russia and America's NATO ally Turkey, which have labeled Guaido's U.S.-endorsed attempt to take over leadership of the country a coup.
Oh!

Monroe Doctrine:
The occasion has been judged proper for asserting, as a principle in which the rights and interests of the United States are involved, that the American continents, by the free and independent condition which they have assumed and maintain, are henceforth not to be considered as subjects for future colonization by any European powers.
China, Russia and Turkey can pound sand.
See the updated post link ed.
Russia: US military intervention in Venezuela would be 'catastrophic scenario'

Full disclosure: I dislike the Venezuela 'system' of government.
I don't like Moduro all that much. He strikes me as a total dick!
AND
I am sick of us being trying to be the worlds policeman, BUT,
even if that were the only thing, just us trying to wear the 'white hat' one more time;
this whole thing is begining to stink like a CIA-engineered, astroturf over-throw attampt....

Do you really want to have another Syria on this side of the pond?
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by WildCat » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:31 pm

Astroturf? Looks like this has been building organically for quite some time now, over a decade in fact. I don't see any evidence of it being instigated by the CIA.
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:44 pm

If the CIA were in on it, it would have been a lot sooner and the replacement líder more obviously a dictator.
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Skeeve » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:45 pm

WildCat wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:31 pm
Astroturf? Looks like this has been building organically for quite some time now, over a decade in fact. I don't see any evidence of it being instigated by the CIA.
Riddle me this then:
Where were these 'mass protests' if this has been brewing for a while?
Again, where is the army?
If Maduro is some 'ruthless dictator' wouldn't they be putting this shit down?

Yea, there is tear gas, and water cannons...nothing that hasn't happened in the USA when things get a little 'out of hand,' right?
Okay. Maybe I jumped the gun, maybe not...I suppose we'll see.

Meanwhile: EU calls for Venezuela elections as Russia, China back Maduro
Sure, just one more election...
Reminds me of a Tom Lerher song:
...
And till they've seen the light,
They've got to be protected,
All their rights respected,
Till somebody we like can be elected.
The EU called for elections in Venezuela as Russia, China and Turkey condemned the decision by the US and several Latin American nations to recognise opposition leader Juan Guaidó as interim president.

Saying the Venezuelan people’s calls for democracy “cannot be ignored”, the EU backed the national assembly headed by Mr Guaidó as the “elected institution whose powers need to be restored and respected”.

But Brussels held back from explicitly backing Mr Guaidó as Venezuela’s leader in place of Nicolás Maduro, reflecting many European countries’ reluctance to align themselves fully with what they see as hawkish action by President Donald Trump’s administration.
Hrm, they seem to think we had something to do with it,
but have no stomach to 'get their hands dirty'...I wonder why?

Russia, Turkey, China denounce US interference in Venezuela
Turkey, Russia, and China came to the aid of Venezuela's leader on Thursday after the United States declared Nicolas Maduro was no longer its president.

The pledges of support came after opposition leader Juan Guaido declared himself interim president of Venezuela in an address to tens of thousands of people on the streets of the capital, Caracas.

"We are with you," Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan told Maduro in a telephone call, according to his spokesman Ibrahim Kalin. "My brother Maduro. Stay strong, we are by your side."

Erdogan said the democratic process must be respected.
:doglaugh:
Turkey's president talking about respecting the 'democratic process.'
Talk about the pot calling the kettle brown...

The take away, they seem to think we had something to do with this too....
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