Cuba's Sonic Weapon

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Re: Cuba's Sonic Weapon

Post by Witness » Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:44 pm

25th Person at U.S. Embassy in Cuba Is Mysteriously Sickened
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/21/us/p ... lness.html

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Re: Cuba's Sonic Weapon

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Microwave Weapons Are Prime Suspect in Ills of U.S. Embassy Workers

Doctors and scientists say microwave strikes may have caused sonic delusions and very real brain damage among embassy staff and family members.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/01/scie ... owave.html

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Re: Cuba's Sonic Weapon

Post by Pyrrho » Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:34 am

Microwave has been used for spying in the past...not to be confused with modern foolishness about microwave ovens.

https://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1274748

https://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1274746

I am not saying that it works, or that microwave transmissions are not being used as weapons.
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Re: Cuba's Sonic Weapon

Post by Witness » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:44 am

The Cuban Cricket Crisis: New study identifies insect as the likely culprit behind alleged “sonic attacks” on U.S. diplomats in Havana

Despite ongoing investigations by American and Cuban government agencies, and extensive coverage of the study by major news outlets, the source of the strange noise provoking the crisis has remained an enigma.

But a new study indicates that the culprit behind this debacle is in fact… a cricket. According to Alexander Stubbs, a scientist in the Department of Integrative Biology and Museum of Vertebrate Zoology at the University of California, Berkeley, the mysterious noise is actually the echoing call of the Indies short-tailed cricket (Anurogryllus celerinictus). Stubbs will present his findings this week at the 2019 Annual Meeting of the Society for Integrative and Comparative Biology in Tampa, Florida, based on a paper that was just released through the bioArxive online database.

The suspicious noise had been recorded by U.S. personnel stationed in Cuba. One of these recordings was released to the public through the Associated Press (AP). Stubbs listened to the recording and was reminded of insect calls that he had heard while doing field work in the Caribbean. He decided to investigate further, reasoning that if an insect were responsible for the noise, it should be possible to identify the particular species based on the unique acoustic signature of its call.

Stubbs analyzed the acoustic power of the mysterious noise as a function of frequency. Using publicly available field recordings, Stubbs did the same analyses for hundreds of insects and found a few potential matches. But the nuances of the pulse structure in the AP recording did not perfectly match any of the insect recordings made in the field.

Then Stubbs realized that the U.S. diplomats may have made the recordings indoors, with the pulses of sound echoing off the walls. To mimic these conditions, Stubbs played the insect calls on indoor speakers, recorded the echoing calls, and performed the analyses again. The new results were noticeably different. Stubbs found that the echoing call of the Indies short-tailed cricket (A. celerinictus) was a near perfect match to the AP recording in pulse structure. Further tests in collaboration with bioacoustics expert Fernando Montealegre-Z at the University of Lincoln (UK) showed that the characteristic frequency decay within each pulse is consistent with the biomechanics of this cricket’s sound production.
https://www.newswise.com/articles/the-c ... -in-havana

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Post by Anaxagoras » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:58 am

Were people actually injured? I seem to recall talk of some people suffering "brain damage" or something.

Could it just be some sort of mass hysteria is what I'm getting at. The technical term is "mass psychogenic illness" or "mass sociogenic illness".

https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/155/2/140/108003

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_psychogenic_illness

A few past examples:
On the morning of Thursday 7 October 1965, at a girls' school in Blackburn in England, several girls complained of dizziness.[18] Some fainted. Within a couple of hours, 85 girls from the school were rushed by ambulance to a nearby hospital after fainting. Symptoms included swooning, moaning, chattering of teeth, hyperpnea, and tetany. Moss and McEvedy published their analysis of the event about one year later. Their conclusions follow.[18] Note that their conclusion about the above-average extroversion and neuroticism of those affected is not necessarily typical of MPI.:[1]

Clinical and laboratory findings were essentially negative.
Investigations by the public health authorities did not uncover any evidence of pollution of food or air.
The epidemiology of the outbreak was investigated by means of questionnaires administered to the whole school population. It was established that the outbreaks began among the 14-year-olds, but that the heaviest incidence moved to the youngest age groups.
By using the Eysenck Personality Inventory, it was established that, in all age groups, the mean E [extroversion] and N [neuroticism] scores of the affected were higher than those of the unaffected.
The younger girls proved more susceptible, but disturbance was more severe and lasted longer in the older girls.
It was considered that the epidemic was hysterical, that a previous polio epidemic had rendered the population emotionally vulnerable, and that a three-hour parade, producing 20 faints on the day before the first outbreak, had been the specific trigger.
The data collected were thought to be incompatible with organic theories and with the compromise theory of an organic nucleus.

Another possible case occurred in Belgium in June 1999 when people, mainly schoolchildren, became ill after drinking Coca-Cola.[19] In the end, scientists were divided over the scale of the outbreak, whether it fully explains the many different symptoms and the scale to which sociogenic illness affected those involved.[20][21]

A possible outbreak of mass psychogenic illness occurred at Le Roy Junior-Senior High School in upstate New York, United States, in which multiple students began suffering symptoms similar to Tourette syndrome. Various health professionals ruled out such factors as Gardasil, drinking water contamination, illegal drugs, carbon monoxide poisoning and various other potential environmental or infectious causes, before diagnosing the students with a conversion disorder and mass psychogenic illness.[22]
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Post by Doctor X » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:51 am

So show me the CarFax MRIs.

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Post by Anaxagoras » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:09 am

Those could probably settle the issue, but afaik, they haven't been released to the public, so we are left to speculate.
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Re: Cuba's Sonic Weapon

Post by Anaxagoras » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:34 am

Here's what Wikipedia has to say, however:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havana_syndrome
Some U.S. embassy individuals have reportedly experienced lasting health effects, including one unidentified U.S. diplomat who is said to now need a hearing aid.[18] The State Department declared that the health problems were either the result of an attack, or due to exposure to an as-yet-unknown device,[19] and declared that they were not blaming the Cuban government, but would not say who was to blame.[20] Affected individuals described symptoms such as hearing loss, memory loss, and nausea.[19]
Note that "nausea" is a common symptom of mass psychogenic illness.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_weapon
It has been reported that "sonic attacks" may have taken place in Cuba in 2016 and 2017, leading to health problems, including hearing loss, in US and Canadian government employees at the US and Canadian embassies in Havana.[9] Some events as reported would seem to violate the laws of physics,[10] and it has been suggested that they are in fact an example of mass psychogenic illness.[11] Cuban investigators have reportedly dismissed claims that sonic weapons have been used against American diplomats, describing them as "science fiction".[12] The US issued an alert to its employees in China after it learned of a possible "sonic attack" on a US citizen working there. The employee complained of symptoms from late 2017 through April 2018 [13], then returned to the US and was examined by a doctor who said the person had suffered a mild traumatic brain injury (MTBI). The US diplomat likened it to the incident which they say happened in Cuba.[14] In early June, 2018 several employees were evacuated from their work in the U.S. Consulate offices in China and sent back to Pennsylvania for testing and diagnosis after sharing similar concerns.[15]
So reportedly at least one of them was diagnosed with a mild traumatic brain injury (MTBI). (Is that like a concussion, like a football player might suffer? Something you could see on an MRI?) They only say "examined by a doctor" and not whether an MRI was taken.
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Post by Doctor X » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:13 am

Anaxagoras wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:34 am
So reportedly at least one of them was diagnosed with a mild traumatic brain injury (MTBI). (Is that like a concussion, like a football player might suffer? Something you could see on an MRI?)
It is a "word-salad" definition in effect. It is like saying "the patient is in critical but stable condition." These are not real meaningful terms.

How does the report define a traumatic brain injury? How does the report define "mild?" I know you do not have the answers, but those are critical.
They only say "examined by a doctor" and not whether an MRI was taken.
Which sadly implies "not a head injury specialist," since if it was, I would expect that to be specified. Remember, the League of Denial employed as a "head injury specialist/expert" or whatever they called the incompetent has zero clinical experience with or treating patients, let alone head injury patients.

You are correct that the level of complaint which consists of symptoms reported by the patient due match that seen in the hysteria. What I do not see reported are signs that are unrelated to such. They are pretty easy to find, actually.

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Post by Rob Lister » Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:52 am

And to that point, if you take a random selection of folks off the street and subject them to a myriad of medical tests, some are going to have real problems like hearing loss, vision loss or general brain fuckery. For sure they'll all complain.

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Post by Witness » Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:49 am

Still at it:
Mystery illness sees Canada halve its Cuba embassy staff

Canada will cut its embassy staff in Cuba by up to half after a mystery illness affected another person there, authorities in Ottawa have said.

Medical testing after the reappearance of unusual symptoms in November saw a 14th Canadian affected.

Canada's foreign office said the number of staff will now be cut by up to half as a result.

US staff have also been affected by the illness, which causes dizziness, nausea and difficulty concentrating.

Canada has discounted the idea of a "sonic attack" being the cause - a theory previously put forward by the US state department last year.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47066652

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Post by Witness » Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:43 am

Diplomats sue Ottawa for $28M over health ailments during Cuba postings

Plaintiffs accuse federal government of dragging its heels in responding to cases of 'Havana Syndrome'

Five Canadian diplomats and members of their families who fell victim to mysterious health complaints while posted to Cuba are suing the Canadian government for $28 million in damages.

The plaintiffs — 14 in total — accuse Ottawa of delaying their evacuation from Havana and their medical treatment. Radio-Canada spoke with some of the diplomats and their family members under condition of anonymity.

"Throughout the crisis, Canada downplayed the seriousness of the situation, hoarded and concealed critical health and safety information, and gave false, misleading and incomplete information to diplomatic staff," says the statement of claim.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/diplom ... -1.5008794