## Equifax Hack

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### Equifax Hack

(Newser) – The Social Security numbers and birth dates of up to 143 million US consumers were stolen from Equifax in what appears to be one of the largest data breaches in history, Bloomberg reports. According to the Los Angeles Times, Equifax, one of the three major credit reporting firms in the US, discovered the breach July 29 and announced it Thursday. In addition to birth dates and Social Security numbers, hackers had access to names, addresses, and driver's license numbers. Hackers also potentially got their hands on credit card numbers belonging to 209,000 US consumers and dispute documents tied to another 182,000 people. In all, the breach may have affected 44% of all US residents, CNBC reports.
http://www.newser.com/story/248338/soci ... -hack.html

It's pretty clear that a SSN should not be used as a money, medical, or any other economic reference from this point forward. 143 million represents not only 44% of all residents, it represents practically the totality of adults. Your social security number, name, driver's license, etc, are now a matter of public record.

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### Re: Equifax Hack

A federal cryptographic ID system would fix this. But that ain't going to happen.
It's "pea-can", man.

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### Re: Equifax Hack

Mentat wrote:A federal cryptographic ID system would fix this. But that ain't going to happen.
Yes, because you can trust the feds
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### Re: Equifax Hack

ed wrote:
Mentat wrote:A federal cryptographic ID system would fix this. But that ain't going to happen.
Yes, because you can trust the feds
Yes, I do. Because we already have a system where we use SSNs, and there's no argument against using modern authorization and authentication techniques. "You can't trust the federal government" doesn't even make sense as an argument in this context.
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### Re: Equifax Hack

The federal government originally said that the SSN would never be used as a general purpose ID number.

FDR even made a speech to that effect because some people were worried about the possibility.
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### Re: Equifax Hack

Too late. Done. No going back.
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### Re: Equifax Hack

Not going back to silly quaint 20th century notions like privacy.

Might as well be nostalgic for phlogiston theory.
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### Re: Equifax Hack

The point of cryptographic identification is to make it harder to be tracked, not easier. SSNs is a really bad way to uniquely identify a person.
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### Re: Equifax Hack

Mentat wrote:... harder to be tracked ...
Precisely why it won't happen.
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### Re: Equifax Hack

ed wrote:
Mentat wrote:A federal cryptographic ID system would fix this. But that ain't going to happen.
Yes, because you can trust the feds
What exactly concerns you? Just a vague sense of distrust of the government?

Basically Social Security numbers are obsolete but nevertheless people use them for all sorts of things.

As it stands, it is very easy to have your identity stolen.
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### Re: Equifax Hack

Equifax has a web site where you can input your last name and the last 6 digits of your SS number to vaguely find out if you're at risk because of this hack. If they store this input, how easy would it be to run a program to figure out the first 3 digits?

Anyway I already subscribe to a monitoring service, thanks to other major hacks in which my info was pwned.
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### Re: Equifax Hack

The first 3 digits are just an area code.

https://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html

If you know where a person was born you can learn the first 3 digits of their SS#.
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### Re: Equifax Hack

An interesting and related aside...
3 Equifax Executives Sold Stock Days After Hack That Wasn't Disclosed For A Month
Three executives of the credit-reporting agency Equifax sold nearly $2 million worth of company stock within days of a massive data breach potentially affecting 143 million Americans — one that wasn't publicly disclosed until more than a month later. In a statement, Equifax says the executives "had no knowledge that an intrusion had occurred at the time they sold their shares." Sure... Then Skank Of America could start in... Pyrrho Posts: 26348 Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2004 2:17 am Title: Man in Black Location: Division 6 ### Re: Equifax Hack http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capita ... es-2587929 If you want to know if you were one of the 143 million people whose data was breached in a hack of Equifax’s data, the company has a website you can use to find out — but there appears to be a catch: To check, you have to agree to give up your legal right to sue the company for damages. The outrage that clause has now generated could complicate the company’s efforts — backed by Republican lawmakers — to block an imminent rule that would ban companies from forcing customers to agree to such provisions. On Friday, social media users spotlighted fine print on Equifax’s website that appears to force users to agree to waive their class action rights if they use the company’s website to see if their personal data was exposed by the recent hack. It is precisely the kind of arbitration clause that a pending Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) rule is designed to outlaw — if Republicans and the Trump administration allow it to go into effect as scheduled later this month. Lol. To be fair, you have to be a bit naive to put even part of your SS number into a form on Equifax's site. Also, in order to check if you did use their form and are therefore blocked from suing them, they would have to be storing your information. Nice work if you can get it. The flash of light you saw in the sky was not a UFO. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus. Abdul Alhazred Posts: 72920 Joined: Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:33 pm Title: Yes, that one. Location: Chicago ### Re: Equifax Hack Skeeve wrote:An interesting and related aside... 3 Equifax Executives Sold Stock Days After Hack That Wasn't Disclosed For A Month Three executives of the credit-reporting agency Equifax sold nearly$2 million worth of company stock within days of a massive data breach potentially affecting 143 million Americans — one that wasn't publicly disclosed until more than a month later.

In a statement, Equifax says the executives
"had no knowledge that an intrusion had occurred at the time they sold their shares."
Sure...
Maybe not a "hack" in the sense of an attack from outside, but rather an insider manipulation of the stock price from the very beginning.
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### Re: Equifax Hack

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Skeeve wrote:An interesting and related aside...
3 Equifax Executives Sold Stock Days After Hack That Wasn't Disclosed For A Month
Three executives of the credit-reporting agency Equifax sold nearly $2 million worth of company stock within days of a massive data breach ... In a statement, Equifax says the executives "had no knowledge that an intrusion had occurred at the time they sold their shares." Sure... Maybe not a "hack" in the sense of an attack from outside, but rather an insider manipulation of the stock price from the very beginning. Wow AA! I thought I was the designated conspiracy person...You're joking right? Then Skank Of America could start in... Pyrrho Posts: 26348 Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2004 2:17 am Title: Man in Black Location: Division 6 ### Re: Equifax Hack It's plausible. The flash of light you saw in the sky was not a UFO. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus. WildCat Posts: 14467 Joined: Tue Jun 15, 2004 2:53 am Location: The 33rd Ward, Chicago ### Re: Equifax Hack In related news my debit card was cloned (probably) several months ago. To illustrate how cocky these bastards are, and sure they won't get seriously investigated, the big-ticket item they bought was a$1,680 Cobra health insurance premium payment.

Surely, there's a real name attached to the policy that was purchased? This should be an easy open and shut case right? They won't tell me anything...
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### Re: Equifax Hack

Mentat wrote:
ed wrote:
Mentat wrote:A federal cryptographic ID system would fix this. But that ain't going to happen.
Yes, because you can trust the feds
Yes, I do. Because we already have a system where we use SSNs, and there's no argument against using modern authorization and authentication techniques. "You can't trust the federal government" doesn't even make sense as an argument in this context.
It isn't, actually. Our government cannot be trusted, not even a little bit.

To quote the estimable Ken White:
The United States government lies.

The people who represent the United States government lie.

In fact, the entire framework of secrecy and privilege is founded in lies by the United States. The state secret privilege — the half-century-old doctrine that holds that the government may ignore the rule of law by invocation of claims of secrecy — was premised on a lie by the United States.
https://www.popehat.com/2013/07/08/secrets-and-lies/

To suggest that somehow a system that they cause to come into being might obviate the plain and simple fact that they cannot be trusted is silly, and dangerous.
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### Re: Equifax Hack

What does any of that have to do with replacing social security as an identification service?
It's "pea-can", man.

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