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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:56 pm

Grammatron wrote:
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Hey Abdul, what's the word on the Democratic street about Trump's condemnation?
Nothing yet.

I'll troll a little and get back to y'all.
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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:24 pm

So far no response.
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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by Doctor X » Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:53 pm

‘Empire’ actor refuses to give cops his phone after alleged attack
Detectives, who are investigating the case as a possible hate crime, have watched hundreds of hours of footage from private and public surveillance cameras, but gaps remain and they still haven’t seen video of the attack or men who match Smollett’s description of his assailants, [Police Spokesman--Ed.] Guglielmi said.
Curious.

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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by WildCat » Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:04 pm

Doctor X wrote:
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‘Empire’ actor refuses to give cops his phone after alleged attack
Detectives, who are investigating the case as a possible hate crime, have watched hundreds of hours of footage from private and public surveillance cameras, but gaps remain and they still haven’t seen video of the attack or men who match Smollett’s description of his assailants, [Police Spokesman--Ed.] Guglielmi said.
Curious.

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If he did that they'd discover that his claim to have been on the phone with his manager during the attack was a lie and then they'd both be in trouble for the publicity hoax.
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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by Doctor X » Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:15 pm

Heavens to Betsy.

Though since there is a criminal case, the police can subpoena the records. Whether they will or not is another matter.

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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:19 pm

According to this, whatever else might be the case, Smollett did not tell the Chicago cops that his assailants were white men or that they were wearing MAGA hats.

https://reason.com/blog/2019/01/29/chic ... -jussie-sm

My new hypothesis (the previous being the null hypothesis of total made up shit): A real attack, but the "hate crime" details were added by fake news.
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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by Anaxagoras » Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:49 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:19 pm
According to this, whatever else might be the case, Smollett did not tell the Chicago cops that his assailants were white men or that they were wearing MAGA hats.

https://reason.com/blog/2019/01/29/chic ... -jussie-sm

My new hypothesis (the previous being the null hypothesis of total made up shit): A real attack, but the "hate crime" details were added by fake news.
I think it's fake but I can understand not wanting to give my phone to the police.

Straw man: "But if you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear from the police snooping around on your phone!"

Me: I'm not so sure about that. Does anyone here think that?

As far as the "hate crime" details, those come from the alleged victim, not "fake news". They are simply reporting what he told the police.

The letter thing also suggests it wasn't just a spur-of-the-moment thing, but something that he had been thinking of for some time. I mean, who goes to the trouble to mail a fake threat to themselves?

I think the higher-ups at the police department are treading lightly for political reasons. It's too early to state what is painfully obvious by now.
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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by Doctor X » Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:31 pm

They are, what with recent history, in a "tight spot."

So they are going to be very careful I imagine. The problem will be, if they do not find evidences--thanks--either for or against, they will be "stuck" with nothing to do and be accused of covering up the "hate crime."

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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by ed » Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:43 pm

Doctor X wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:31 pm
They are, what with recent history, in a "tight spot."

So they are going to be very careful I imagine. The problem will be, if they do not find evidences--thanks--either for or against, they will be "stuck" with nothing to do and be accused of covering up the "hate crime."

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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:16 pm

Follow up: Finally a break in the case.

Perpetrator of the attack on Jussie Smollett identified
People Magazine















Spoiler:
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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by WildCat » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:48 pm

Well, that's just bullshit. Would you like to know what detectives are telling us?
It never happened. CPD is wasting hundreds of man hours to solve a Grindr date gone bad. The "victim" is refusing all forms of cooperation, his "ear witness" isn't cooperating, the Hollywood press is running with a non-existent narrative. The "persons of interest" are all but unidentifiable and left the area 20 minutes before the "attack," not to mention the anonymous witness who saw a "hillbilly looking" character that not a single camera in a one mile radius has a picture of.
And that's just from a couple of people working the case.
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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:09 pm

Beat me to it.
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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:27 pm

More stuff

https://www.cwbchicago.com/2019/02/smol ... r-was.html
...

The two “potential persons of interest” seen in surveillance images released by Chicago police last week “are two bums,” according to a second source who is familiar with the investigation. “Downtown demanded that we put out something, so we issued the photos,” the source said. “They weren’t happy.”

...
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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by WildCat » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:16 pm

"Subpoenas have been issued to ensure that phone records from Smollett and his music manager are received. The two claim that they were speaking with each other at the time of the attack and the manager, Brandon Z. Moore, claims he clearly heard racist slurs and “MAGA country” being said."

It will be very interesting to see if they were actually on the phone then! It can't prove the attack did or didn't happen, but it can prove they're lying about being on the phone when it happened.

eta: Is it inappropriate to say the noose is tightening?
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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by Doctor X » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:47 pm

Not like you left him hanging there.

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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by Witness » Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:14 pm

WildCat wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:16 pm
It will be very interesting to see if they were actually on the phone then! It can't prove the attack did or didn't happen, but it can prove they're lying about being on the phone when it happened.
Perhaps they were dumb enough to discuss the hoax on phone? :twisted:

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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by Anaxagoras » Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:15 am

Witness wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:14 pm
WildCat wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:16 pm
It will be very interesting to see if they were actually on the phone then! It can't prove the attack did or didn't happen, but it can prove they're lying about being on the phone when it happened.
Perhaps they were dumb enough to discuss the hoax on phone? :twisted:
I believe the phone records in question would only show that a call was placed (or not) but not an actual recording of what was said in the call.
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:21 am

The implication is that it could be proven they were not on the phone (and by extension it was all lies).
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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by Giz » Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:30 am

If the call record don’t fit
You must acquit!

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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:42 pm

Maybe I'm confabulating, but this story sure looks to me like he's going to get into trouble for making a false police report.

https://www.tmz.com/2019/02/06/jussie-s ... nt-attack/
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