Another hate crime hoax

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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by WildCat » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:00 pm

Chicago Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson today said that Smollett is still being treated as the victim in the case. However, Smollett will be held responsible if the investigation reveals that he made a false report, according to Johnson. (Rafer Weigel, Fox Chicago)

Additionally, police were said to be preparing for possible interrogations, but they did not say of whom. (Matt Finn, Fox News)

Rope: Investigators had been working to identify the source of the rope that Smollett said was tied around his neck in a noose during the attack. The FBI has extensive scientific resources and product samples that frequently allow its technicians to identify the manufacturer of rope and cord evidence.

In a simplified example, technicians could determine that the rope is made by “ABC Rope Company.” Investigators might contact ABC and learn that the particular variety recovered from Smollett is sold as a plain-label product through Walgreens stores. Investigators then ask Walgreens for records of transactions in which the rope was sold. The last step would be to identify the more promising purchases and to review surveillance video and financial records of those transactions.

A source close to the case said Monday that investigators were visiting retail stores, which may indicate that the search for video and transaction records is underway.
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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by xouper » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:17 pm

Chicago has a serious homicide problem and they're spending their scarce resources on this shit?

:shock:

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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by Grammatron » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:41 pm

xouper wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:17 pm
Chicago has a serious homicide problem and they're spending their scarce resources on this shit?

:shock:

:dunno:
This is literally police work though, not sure why you are shocked.

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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by Doctor X » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:55 pm

Because if it is true it is an international embarrassment and if it is not true it is an international embarrassment.

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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by Grammatron » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:03 pm

I suppose one could view it as such. However, I do not see how a transparent investigation into an alleged attack is an embarrassment.

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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by Doctor X » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:11 pm

Grammatron wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:03 pm
However, I do not see how a transparent investigation into an alleged attack is an embarrassment.
Oh no, I mean that they have to investigate it because, whatever it is, it is an embarrassment. Either you have a blatantly racist attack, or you have a blatantly racist hoax.

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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by Grammatron » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:59 pm

Ah. Yes agree.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by Anaxagoras » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:01 pm

Behind the Scenes, It’s Clear Chicago Media and Police Doubt Jussie Smollett’s Story

But people are afraid to say publicly what they believe privately about it.
I can’t recall a large crime story where there was a bigger gap between what the police and media are saying publicly, and what they expressing behind the scenes, than the saga involving the recent alleged hate crime against actor Jussie Smollett. Similarly, there may not be a story where you can tell more by what has not happened, in comparison to what actually has occurred.

The current public stance of the Chicago police is that earlier this month, at 2 a.m. on a very cold Chicago night, Smollett was the victim of what appears to be a heinous hate crime where he was physically attacked by two men, and humiliated due to his race, homosexuality, and possibly his opposition to President Donald Trump. The Chicago media, in official reports, has largely treated that narrative as legitimate, while chronicling the complete lack of suspects and corroborating evidence as more of a frustration than any indication that something else might be going on here.

Behind the scenes, however, based on conversations I have had with multiple people covering the story, there is a radically different take on what really did happen to Smollett. In short, there is near unanimity among police sources that Smollett’s story is very likely not true. And that even the media outlets still regurgitating the current “party line” don’t really believe it.

In my experience, most people are very bad at reading the tea leaves in these types of situations, and it often leads to very inaccurate interpretations of what is really going on. This case has several important elements which, if you know what to look for, make evaluating the actions of the police and news media really rather easy.

The first thing you need to understand about this situation is that, because of Smollett’s persona and the nature of his allegation, no one in law enforcement or the news media wants any part of publicly questioning his story. Everyone knows that if they make any sort of negative implication against a black, gay, liberal, celebrity, victim of a horrible hate crime, that they will be roundly and severely attacked, regardless of whether they turn out to be correct.

As a conservative, I look at this as his Political Correctness Force Field. Smollett’s protection here is literally about as strong as it gets, especially in Chicago, a city that has a large black population and is extremely liberal.

So, in this hyper-sensitive media environment, any sort of deviation from the accepted storyline by the police or the news media, much like if your seven-year-old kid is showing subtle signs they no longer believe in Santa Claus, must be given exponentially greater significance than it normally would. Here, both the police and news media in Chicago have provided plenty of those types of veiled indications, both publicly and privately.

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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:15 pm

They "doubt" it?

I think not.

I'm pretty sure the cops at least were certain in their own minds it was BS within a minute or so of the report. The tip off was the noose.
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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by ed » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:29 pm

I think you are right.
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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:53 pm

Not definitive proof of anything, but his neighbors do not believe him either.

Jussie Smollett’s neighbors cast doubt on his attack story
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“I don’t believe it happened the way he said it did,” said Agin Muhammad, who lives in the same swank high-rise near the Navy Pier as Smollett.
... ergo Smollett is a millionaire.
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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by xouper » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:36 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:53 pm
... ergo Smollett is a millionaire.
Didn't you know, even millionaires sometimes need to go out for a leisurely stroll at 2am in subzero weather to get a subway sandwich.

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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:41 pm

He couldn't sleep and craved a tuna sandwich. :)
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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by Giz » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:49 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:41 pm
a tuna sandwich. :)
The least fishy thing about this.

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Re: Another hate crime hoax

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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:20 am

Anaxagoras wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:37 pm


So.

Just plain made up shit with malice aforethought. Right?
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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:18 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:20 am
Just plain made up shit with malice aforethought. Right?
Right now that looks like the hypothesis that fits the facts best. The letter suggests not a "spur of the moment" thing.
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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:18 am

Smollet has hired a PR firm apparently.

A lot seems to be being made of the fact that it's the same firm used by Harvey Weinstein. I don't know if that's fair or relevant.

But the fact that a victim of a crime should need to hire a PR firm is just another meta-indicator that something is weird about this case.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/twitchy.co ... brows/amp/
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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:26 am

He's in show biz and newly famous. Hiring a PR firm is a normal thing for him to do in any case, and not too much should be read into it.

Also an agent and a (business) lawyer too, I expect.

Let us for the moment stipulate taking his story at face value.

Nevertheless he comes out ahead, publicity-wise. When life gives you lemons, etc.
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Re: Another hate crime hoax

Post by corplinx » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:30 am

So wait, are his attackers hiding out with Nicole Brown's killer? How come they haven't been caught?