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Re: Florida School Shooting

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue May 22, 2018 5:04 pm

Sex as a causal factor:

Are young males more likely to perceive that they have no future, and are they right?
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Re: Florida School Shooting

Post by Nyarlathotep » Tue May 22, 2018 5:17 pm

Besides, if the problem is "fatherless homes", what do you propose be done about it? Outlaw divorce? Force people into couplings?

If the problem is fatherlessness, it is insoluble unless you want to replace the problem of school shootings (which, like terrorism, is a very small risk that seems bigger than it is because it gets so much publicity) with the state (or worse, the church) mandating what relationships you will have and with whom. Not a trade off I am willing to make.

Also, one has to look for confounding factors. Is fatherlessness the problem or is it a case where the same factors that turn kids to violence ALSO break up families. It's the same thing as the reason you can draw a "correlation" between crime rates and the number of ice cream trucks in operation. It would be silly to suggest ice cream trucks cause crime or that crime somehow causes ice cream trucks. But there is more crime in the summer (more people out of their homes, thus more robberies and more people out in public thus more people getting into fights etc.) and also more ice cream trucks. Summer is the confounding factor.

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Re: Florida School Shooting

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue May 22, 2018 5:22 pm

Fatherlessness is far too common to be the deciding factor.

Though it might play into despair, which I believe is the primary motivation for these things.

Sorry no clever fix for same.
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Re: Florida School Shooting

Post by Witness » Wed May 23, 2018 12:27 am

Cory Doctorow wrote:New York high school will use CCTV and facial recognition to enforce discipline

Next year, high schools in Lockport New York will use the "Aegis" CCTV and facial recognition system to track and record the interactions of students suspected of code of conduct violations, keeping a ledger of who speaks to whom, where, and for how long.

The record will be used to assemble evidence against students and identify possible accomplices to ascribe guilt to.

Lockport Superintendent Michelle T. Bradley justified the decision by noting, "We always have to be on our guard. We can’t let our guard down."

Lockport will be the first school district in the world to subject its students to this kind of surveillance. The program will cost $1.4m in state money. The technology supplier is SN Technologies of Ganonoque, Ont., one of the companies in the vicinity of Kingston, Ontario, home to the majority of the province's detention centers.

The Lockport district says that the system will make students safer by alerting officials if someone on a sex-offender registry or terrorist watchlist enters the property. None of America's school shootings or high-profile serial sex abuse scandals were carried out by wanted terrorists or people on the sex-offender registry.
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Re: Florida School Shooting

Post by gnome » Wed May 23, 2018 12:49 am

I love that last sentence.
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Re: Florida School Shooting

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed May 23, 2018 2:17 pm

Schools must be more like prisons and mental hospitals, not just to keep children safe but to prepare them for The FutureTM.

If you disagree, I have two questions for you + one admonition.

1) Why do hate children? :cry:
2) How does it feel to be on the wrong side of HistoryTM, asshole? :evil:

Admonition: It is the 21st century.

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Re: Florida School Shooting

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed May 23, 2018 2:27 pm

Finally!

A school that is really doing something!

:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Northern Lebanon students told to smile in hallways while bullying gets ignored
Lebanon Daily News (Pennsylvania)
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Students who don’t have a smile on their face while in the hallways between classes are told to either smile or go see a guidance counselor to discuss their problems.

Fifteen-year-old Julianna Gundrum, a student at the school district, said if you didn’t smile there would be consequences. Julianna Gundrum’s mother, Jean Gundrum, has since pulled her from the school and has enrolled her in the district’s cyber school program.

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:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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Re: Florida School Shooting

Post by Skeeve » Wed May 23, 2018 7:35 pm

Nyarlathotep wrote:Besides, if the problem is "fatherless homes", what do you propose be done about it? Outlaw divorce? Force people into couplings?

If the problem is fatherlessness, it is insoluble unless you want to replace the problem of school shootings (which, like terrorism, is a very small risk that seems bigger than it is because it gets so much publicity) with the state (or worse, the church) mandating what relationships you will have and with whom. Not a trade off I am willing to make.

Also, ...
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Interesting. That exact solution is being applied in a forign country right now...

Chechnya: Ramzan Kadyrov orders hundreds of divorced couples to get back together 'to root out extremism'

And yes, he believes it as a possible solution to ISIS-types recruiting young impressionable boys too...go figure.
Hundreds of divorced couples have been forced to get back together in Chechnya after the region's leader, Ramzan Kadyrov, effectively black-listed marriage separations as a perceived cause of social problems.
...
"We've got to wake people up, talk to them and explain. We've got to return the women who left their husbands and reconcile them. This is a priority," he said.
I wager feminists are a minority in that country....oh well, do I think that would work here?
No!

Hell, I don't even know if it will work there, time needs to pass and perhaps we shall see...
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Re: Florida School Shooting

Post by Nyarlathotep » Wed May 23, 2018 8:07 pm

Yeah. No thanks on government mandated marriage. And that’s not a an eeeeeviiiillll feminist position, that’s basic goddam civil liberties
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Re: Florida School Shooting

Post by Nyarlathotep » Wed May 23, 2018 8:11 pm

Also, it’s pretty fucking sad that “hey, I don’t think the government should tell anyone who to marry/have sex with” is “OH NO! SJW FEMINISM RUN AMOK!!!” Material
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Re: Florida School Shooting

Post by Grammatron » Wed May 23, 2018 8:12 pm

I would not look to Chechnya for anything other than sadness and misery.

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Re: Florida School Shooting

Post by Evolver » Wed May 23, 2018 8:29 pm

Grammatron wrote:I would not look to Chechnya for anything other than sadness and misery.
You forgot despair.
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Re: Florida School Shooting

Post by xouper » Wed May 23, 2018 8:53 pm

Nyarlathotep wrote:Yeah. No thanks on government mandated marriage. And that’s not a an eeeeeviiiillll feminist position, that’s basic goddam civil liberties
I agree.

Basic goddam civil liberties are a primary part of my core values.

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Re: Florida School Shooting

Post by Grammatron » Wed May 23, 2018 8:58 pm

Evolver wrote:
Grammatron wrote:I would not look to Chechnya for anything other than sadness and misery.
You forgot despair.
They ran out

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Re: Florida School Shooting

Post by Nyarlathotep » Wed May 23, 2018 9:25 pm

Grammatron wrote:
Evolver wrote:
Grammatron wrote:I would not look to Chechnya for anything other than sadness and misery.
You forgot despair.
They ran out
Nah, must be a glitch in the distribution system.

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Re: Florida School Shooting

Post by Grammatron » Wed May 23, 2018 9:41 pm

I do not know what's worse then:

Despair, where you have no hope or where you have hope even though it will never come.

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Re: Florida School Shooting

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed May 23, 2018 10:24 pm

Evolver wrote:
Grammatron wrote:I would not look to Chechnya for anything other than sadness and misery.
You forgot despair.
Chechnya?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_conce ... n_Chechnya

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Post by Doctor X » Wed May 23, 2018 10:32 pm

Grammatron wrote:I would not look to Chechnya for anything other than sadness and misery.
Ah, the place where inhabitants of Cleveland have been trying to enter.

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Re: Florida School Shooting

Post by gnome » Wed May 23, 2018 10:51 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Finally!

A school that is really doing something!

:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Northern Lebanon students told to smile in hallways while bullying gets ignored
Lebanon Daily News (Pennsylvania)
...

Students who don’t have a smile on their face while in the hallways between classes are told to either smile or go see a guidance counselor to discuss their problems.

Fifteen-year-old Julianna Gundrum, a student at the school district, said if you didn’t smile there would be consequences. Julianna Gundrum’s mother, Jean Gundrum, has since pulled her from the school and has enrolled her in the district’s cyber school program.

...
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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Re: Florida School Shooting

Post by Mentat » Wed May 23, 2018 11:05 pm

Skeeve wrote:Hell, I don't even know if it will work there, time needs to pass and perhaps we shall see...
Time will need to pass for what, exactly?
It's "pea-can", man.

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