The First Mueller Anniversary

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Re: The First Mueller Anniversary

Post by Doctor X » Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:51 am

A rather surprisingly sober review from The Boston Sun's Howie Carr:
Roger Stone keeps talking about Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s reprehensible behavior with the FBI in Boston way back when.

But I don’t think he or most people understand how bad Mueller’s actions were – “chilling,” is how a Clinton federal judge in 2006 described the former FBI director’s attempts to cover up a massive frame-up by Boston G-men decades earlier.

["Snip!"--Ed.]

That frame job was handled by the Boston office of the FBI, where at one point at least six G-men were taking payoffs from organized crime. That information came from serial killer Stevie Flemmi, who last summer admitted in federal court to taking part in 50 murders.

Everyone knew the four men were innocent, but the FBI wanted them to rot in prison, so the scandal would not be revealed. In the 1980s, two U.S. attorneys in Boston wrote letters to the state demanding that the innocent men not be released, but Mueller, an interim U.S. attorney in 1986-87, did not write one. (At least I couldn’t find one.)

Making sure the innocent men remained in prison was mostly handled by two of the G-men on the mobsters’ payroll, Zip Connolly and John “Vino” Morris, who made sure they left no paper trails. They were hit men with badges — Morris set up a double murder for Whitey Bulger in 1982 in Southie, after which Vino was promoted to director of the FBI training academy in Quantico.

["Snip!"--Ed.]

Fast forward to 2006. Mueller is now the FBI director.

["Snip!"--Ed.]

The plaintiffs – the victims – are trying to get the necessary information from the crooked FBI now run by Mueller about how they were framed. But Mueller absolutely stonewalls the release of the information.

Here’s a show-cause order I discovered last year from U.S. District Judge Nancy Gertner, who presided over the civil case. The FBI was refusing to turn over the exonerating evidence to either the plaintiffs or the Justice Department, which was defending the FBI after its frame up.

Mueller’s stonewalling, Gertner wrote, was a “serious problem.”

“This is a case about, inter alia, informant abuse, about the failure to disclose exculpatory evidence bearing on the innocence of the four plaintiffs, about FBI agents allegedly ‘hiding the ball,’ not disclosing critical information that would have exonerated the plaintiffs, and not doing so, for 40 years.”

Think about that again – for 40 years, ever since the night of the murder, the FBI had known that these four guys were innocent, and yet they never stepped up to identify the real killers, because they were FBI rats. And Mueller’s FBI was prolonging the cover-up, the judge wrote.

“Given those accusations,” she wrote, “the position the FBI is taking is chilling … This Court is not remotely satisfied.”

Six days after Mueller was threatened with contempt, the feds filed this: “This matter has been brought to the personal attention of the Director of the FBI… (the innocent men and the DOJ) have been provided with unredacted copies of the FBI documents.”

And all it took to bring Mueller around to doing the right thing was the threat of a contempt citation by an ultra-liberal federal judge who went to Yale Law School with the Clintons.

Of course, that wasn’t the first time Mueller’s FBI tried to broom the scandal of the four framed men. In 2002, Mueller directed the G-men to oppose state pardons for the four men because the FBI’s own evidence that exonerated them was merely “fodder for cross-examination.”

Despite the FBI’s knowledge that the men, including Peter Limone, were innocent, Mueller’s FBI claimed to a state board that the incontrovertible exculpatory evidence “does not necessarily mean, however, that Limone or any of the other defendants is innocent – it merely means that they are entitled to a new trial.”

By the way, one of the innocent men, Louie Greco, was in Florida the night of the murder he was falsely convicted of. One of the crooked Boston FBI agents (who died in prison in Oklahoma while facing murder charges in another gangland hit) later bragged to a local gangster about their brilliant railroad:

“How does Louie Greco like going from Miami to death row? He wasn’t even there.”

This is your FBI, the organization that Bob Mueller was – and still is – trying to protect from being exposed as irredeemably corrupt.

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Re: The First Mueller Anniversary

Post by Surprise » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:27 am

I agree, stacking courts with Conservative judges is a bad idea. The "Checks and Balances" things.

Meanwhile....Trump is going to do all he can to make sure he is loading up the Ninth Circuit as well.

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Re: The First Mueller Anniversary

Post by Anaxagoras » Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:26 am

Have they ever made a movie or documentary about that?


Seems like "true crime" stories are pretty popular these days, and one where FBI agents are the criminals would make a doozy.
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Re: The First Mueller Anniversary

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Point is that this is the guy with unlimited power to "investigate".
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Re: The First Mueller Anniversary

Post by ed » Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:08 pm

You know, I am pretty much against the death penalty. There are certain crimes that you could argue one way or the other.

But the one crime that I am, and have been, pretty sure merits death is the case of a public servant who is corrupt. And Mueller seems to fill the bill.
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Re: The First Mueller Anniversary

Post by Doctor X » Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:06 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:26 am
Have they ever made a movie or documentary about that?
Not that I am aware of.
Seems like "true crime" stories are pretty popular these days, and one where FBI agents are the criminals would make a doozy.
Well you had Black Mass which was based on the book written just after James Bulger went into hiding thanks to warnings from Connelly & Co. Anyways, it took decades to get the information out. I agree, it would be a good story since it demonstrates the problem of a "blue wall" where "we protect our own."

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Re: The First Mueller Anniversary

Post by WildCat » Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:06 pm

Surprise wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:27 am
I agree, stacking courts with Conservative judges is a bad idea. The "Checks and Balances" things.

Meanwhile....Trump is going to do all he can to make sure he is loading up the Ninth Circuit as well.
By "conservative" you mean judges who rule according to the Constitution and the law instead of feelz?
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Re: The First Mueller Anniversary

Post by Grammatron » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:02 pm

Surprise wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:27 am
I agree, stacking courts with Conservative judges is a bad idea. The "Checks and Balances" things.

Meanwhile....Trump is going to do all he can to make sure he is loading up the Ninth Circuit as well.
There are no guarantees that "Conservative" judges or "Liberal" judges will remain such once appointed.

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Re: The First Mueller Anniversary

Post by Surprise » Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:27 am

WildCat wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:06 pm
Surprise wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:27 am
I agree, stacking courts with Conservative judges is a bad idea. The "Checks and Balances" things.

Meanwhile....Trump is going to do all he can to make sure he is loading up the Ninth Circuit as well.
By "conservative" you mean judges who rule according to the Constitution and the law instead of feelz?
In the case referred to by Doctor X he left out this line from the article.
And all it took to bring Mueller around to doing the right thing was the threat of a contempt citation by an ultra-liberal federal judge who went to Yale Law School with the Clintons.

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Re: The First Mueller Anniversary

Post by Doctor X » Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:34 am

Surprise wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:27 am
In the case referred to by Doctor X he left out this line from the article.
On the contrary, it is there in the portion I quoted.

I am not sure how lying helps you.

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Re: The First Mueller Anniversary

Post by Surprise » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:24 am

My bad. When I read WIldcat's post I assumed that bit was left out. You are correct. In that case Wildcat's post makes no sense.

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Re: The First Mueller Anniversary

Post by Doctor X » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:56 pm

Much obliged.

Reading a Howie Carr article is like watching a St. Sean Hannity or Keith Untermensch monologue: you require a good shower and a soak in an onsen, you feel ashamed, and it is best to have a machete to cut through all of the rhetorical self-indulgence. The only difference is that, in Carr's case, he is right about two very low hanging fruit subjects:
  • 1. Whitey Bulger and his brother and much of his family were and are criminals.
    2. The Kennedys were criminals.
    3. Boston, including the authorities, protected and continues to protect both.
Critics will note that he tends to fall over these facts when others have already done the hard investigation.

What surprised me was the general lack of such stupid rhetoric--"hey! I can make a PUN!!"--in this one article.

It is a fallacy [No Latin!--Ed.], of course, to contend that because Mueller sanctioned such injustice he is COMPLETELY EVIL AND TRUMP IS MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!1!!! :freedom: Same as if one points to the treatment of Kavanaugh, say, and then wonder why MUELLER IS NOT IN GAOLS [Stop it.--Ed.].

However, it does speak to his character. It suggests that he cares more about "getting the conviction, protecting the conviction, protecting our own," than he is about the truth.

None of this will be relevant is his results are valid or at least defensible. Take the criticisms of his, perhaps, over-prosecution of "process crimes" thus far . . . please. It is true that a Man in His Position . . . Can't be Made to Look RIDICULOUS! No . . . wait . . . a man with his power can heap charges on you such that you will confess simply to avoid geological scale sentences.

Neat.

What we have not seen, thus far, any of these dressed up by Mueller, as "AND THEREFORE . . . COLLUSION!!!"

We ["We?"--Ed.] have also not seen leakage. The arrest of Stone is . . . well . . . an exception. Stone is a scumbag so I suppose there was a bit of "revenge" in that one. Anyways, remove the 24-7 speculations from the Clinton News Network and counter-speculations from the Jesus Network, we have not heard much of anything. No, "sources close to the investigation say under condition of anonymity" nonsense.

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Re: The First Mueller Anniversary

Post by WildCat » Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:54 pm

Surprise wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:24 am
My bad. When I read WIldcat's post I assumed that bit was left out. You are correct. In that case Wildcat's post makes no sense.
It was a response to your post, not Doctor X's post. That's why I quoted you and not him. Is this really that hard to figure out?
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Re: The First Mueller Anniversary

Post by Surprise » Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:44 am

Are you saying that there shouldn't be judges who keep the FBI in line?

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Re: The First Mueller Anniversary

Post by Doctor X » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:18 am

Surprise wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:44 am
Are you saying that there shouldn't be judges who keep the FBI in line?
Are you implying that "conservative" justices will not?

I use the "scare quotes" since the terms "conservative" and "liberal" do not necessarily fit justices; they can prove surprisingly unconfined by such.

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Re: The First Mueller Anniversary

Post by Surprise » Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:26 am

Doctor X wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:18 am
Surprise wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:44 am
Are you saying that there shouldn't be judges who keep the FBI in line?
Are you implying that "conservative" justices will not?

I use the "scare quotes" since the terms "conservative" and "liberal" do not necessarily fit justices; they can prove surprisingly unconfined by such.

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That is what the story was implying. If I link up the logic of the chain of posts, a Conservative judge who obeys the consitution would have allowed Mueller to not be accountable for the miscarriage of justice.

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Re: The First Mueller Anniversary

Post by Doctor X » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:16 pm

You mean WC's story, correct, and not the story on Mueller's assisting of the crimes of the FBI after the fact?

The FBI is allowed to do what they do partly because it works against actual "bad guys." Unfortunately, that way of thinking can convince agents that everyone they investigate must be a "bad guy." I find the fact that for decades the FBI could rely on a written record one agent composed after an interview, for example, as the only evidence of the interview in court a complete abomination. Obviously both liberal and conservative and even a few green judges have allowed this.

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Re: The First Mueller Anniversary

Post by Doctor X » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:51 pm

Senate has uncovered no direct evidence of conspiracy between Trump campaign and Russia

After two years and 200 interviews, the Senate Intelligence Committee is approaching the end of its investigation into the 2016 election, having uncovered no direct evidence of a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia, according to both Democrats and Republicans on the committee.

["Snip!"--Ed.]

Democratic Senate investigators who spoke to NBC News on condition of anonymity did not dispute Burr's characterizations, but said they lacked context.

"We were never going to find a contract signed in blood saying, 'Hey Vlad, we're going to collude,'" one Democratic aide said.

The series of contacts between Trump's associates, his campaign officials, his children and various Russians suggest a campaign willing to accept help from a foreign adversary, the Democrats say.

NBC News
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Re: The First Mueller Anniversary

Post by ed » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:12 pm

Doctor X wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:51 pm
Senate has uncovered no direct evidence of conspiracy between Trump campaign and Russia

After two years and 200 interviews, the Senate Intelligence Committee is approaching the end of its investigation into the 2016 election, having uncovered no direct evidence of a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia, according to both Democrats and Republicans on the committee.

["Snip!"--Ed.]

Democratic Senate investigators who spoke to NBC News on condition of anonymity did not dispute Burr's characterizations, but said they lacked context.

"We were never going to find a contract signed in blood saying, 'Hey Vlad, we're going to collude,'" one Democratic aide said.

The series of contacts between Trump's associates, his campaign officials, his children and various Russians suggest a campaign willing to accept help from a foreign adversary, the Democrats say.

NBC News
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In other words
We found nothing dammit but we still think he's guilty and that s enough
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Re: The First Mueller Anniversary

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:59 am

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