RCC: Act II wrote:That isn't trolling. I'm being totally genuine. I 100% believe it, and am not in any way saying it for the purpose of making anyone who is an asshole upset or because I like making assholes upset or thinking that making assholes upset is an end worth pursuing. I don't do that because I try not to be an asshole.
I'll accept that.
RCC: Act II wrote:... It is the people excited or motivated about the opportunity to cause pain that are the problem, and there are an awful lot of them revolving around Trump.
No more so than liberals who do the same.
And yet those are not the people who define the majority of either side, which was my initial point.
Maybe. Liberals can suck, but for not quite the same reasons.
The more I think about it the more it might have to do with those that see the world as a zero sum situation. In a truly zero-sum situation where, say, wealth, is finite, being motivated to impoverish others and being motivated to gain wealth are the same thing.
Outside of games, there are very few zero-sum situations in life, so this sort of mindset is, well, stupid. Problem is, the brain is sort of wired to think this way, and when this premise is assumed, there really isn't a reason to not see hurting others as the key to success.
Trump is zero-sum to the point of absurdity. He claims to be this great dealmaker. A great dealmaker makes a deal where everyone benefits. That's why it is a deal. There is a reason Trump has had a ton of trouble finding business partners and has just totally failed to get much of anything through congress. The idea that in making deals that artful compromise and creativity are more important than raw leverage and deception used to force or trick someone into something is just not part of his mindset.
I more or less make deals for a living. I've seen prosecutors who think like this like come and go, and mostly go. Or at least change. Most new prosecutors come into office all hard and talking about never compromising and blah blah blah. Then the consequences of taking everything to the mattresses stack up, and they flee or change and it is back to reasonable plea deals. Trump doesn't seem capable of learning this lesson. He has both houses of congress and is facing an opposition party in turmoil and that lacks cohesion. Even when the filibuster is an issue they could be picking off red state and moderate democrats left and right and passing stuff like mad were he interested in making deals rather than conquest. At this point he can't even get the house rowing in the same direction, which is astounding.
Obama mostly failed for more or less the converse reason: He couldn't see he was facing an opposition party that had near flawless party discipline and adjust to it. So he mostly just farted out EOs rather than really go to the mattresses and ruthlessly attack that discipline. He's the defense attorney that reacts to the new prosecutor by whining and talking clients into absurdly bad plea deals rather than taking everything to trial.
Which of these maladies are worse in general is one of those philosophical questions, but there obviously needs to be some balance. People who think everything is zero-sum combat are enabled by those who never think it is.
As people, Trump is worse because he's a fucking lunatic as to this. I mean, the guy once said he doesn't exercise because the body has a finite about of energy and exercise just depletes it. Which is a pretty starkly batshit insane example of zero-sum thinking.
Obama might have been a pussy, but not to that level. Dukakis stumbling over the question about someone raping his wife didn't even make him a batboy in the league Trump plays in. Even Carter fought off the killer rabbit when the chips were down.
So, as to the original point, it is hard to support Trump, or even not think he is flatly incompetent, without adopting or at least tacitly accepting some degree of excessive zero-sum mindset, so whether most Trump supporters are committed assholes or collaborative assholes or just have stink on them from being in the area of those assholes is a fair question.