Is he indicted yet?

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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:55 pm

Also, going bankrupt a lot does not make one a "failed businessman" unless one comes out behind in the long run.

It may be sneaky, but it's legal and not failure.

If Trump fails as president (which certainly could happen), it will be because that requires differing skills from being a real estate mogul.

After all, there is no option to sell off a country and start two or three new ones.
I hope.

On the other hand, he has already put his professional wrestling impresario skills to good use as president. :BigGrin3:
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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by sparks » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:04 pm

xouper wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:49 am
sparks wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:24 am
Trump gives shit all about his 'employees', only about himself. That much is clear from his record to date.
That is factually incorrect.
Your statement is your opinion.

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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by sparks » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:13 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:55 pm
Also, going bankrupt a lot does not make one a "failed businessman" unless one comes out behind in the long run.

It may be sneaky, but it's legal and not failure.

If Trump fails as president (which certainly could happen), it will be because that requires differing skills from being a real estate mogul.

After all, there is no option to sell off a country and start two or three new ones.
I hope.

On the other hand, he has already put his professional wrestling impresario skills to good use as president. :BigGrin3:
Nicely stated AA. Can't argue with that shit.

Bankruptcy is the legal method to redress the economic fallout of a failed business. And while apparently not illegal, when one makes a 'habit' out of it as Trump seems to have done,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... 499f69f65b

one could argue that he did it to protect his peeps and keep them working. Alternately, one could argue that his business model doesn't work. Alternately again, one could argue that he's found a twist on the system of law that works for Him and he's taking advantage of it.

Again, good for Him.

IMHO, there really ought to be laws against this sort of self interest.
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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by WildCat » Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:10 pm

Trump has started hundreds of businesses. I think 4 of them went bankrupt? That's a far higher beating average than most. To start a business is to risk failure. If it was easy everyone would do it
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Post by sparks » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:40 pm

Trump has started enough failed businesses for almost all of his base then? :)
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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by RCC: Act II » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:54 pm

What are these businesses? He's licensed his name to any number of idiots, often with little or no involvement. He managed to lose money in the casino business when it was booming. He torched the entire USFL based on his ego. He started a scam university that imploded. As far as his current trouble, the Turnberry deal alone should set off massive alarms. A guy worth 3B or so mostly in non-cash assets finds 200M+ under the couch cushions and the best anyone can do is vague claims of doing well?

His main business success has been inheriting wealth. His golf courses might do OK but given his pattern of losing money by recklessly spending on his idea of quality and opulence probably not. The further he gets from real estate investing the more he fucks up.

The fact that he claims a legitimate USGA handicap index of under three is staggering. Has to be cheating like a motherfucker to do that.

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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by WildCat » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:00 pm

RCC: Act II wrote:
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He managed to lose money in the casino business when it was booming.
The Atlantic City casinos were never booming. New Jersey regulated them literally to death, to the point where the casino rake had to be so high gamblers went elsewhere. And when all the Indian casinos opened up free from NJ's stifling regulations the writing was on the wall.
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:33 pm

sparks wrote:
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Trump has started enough failed businesses for almost all of his base then? :)
How many businesses failed doesn't make any difference to whether he's a "failed businessman" (if he comes out ahead).

The score is counted in money, not number of solvent corporations.
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:37 pm

RCC: Act II wrote:
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... He managed to lose money in the casino business when it was booming ...
Who lost money? :lmao:

Is it possible that someone who hates Trump so much can be so naive about the honesty of the way he ran The Trump Taj Mahal? :BigGrin3:
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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:43 pm

WildCat wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:00 pm
RCC: Act II wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:54 pm
He managed to lose money in the casino business when it was booming.
The Atlantic City casinos were never booming. New Jersey regulated them literally to death, to the point where the casino rake had to be so high gamblers went elsewhere. And when all the Indian casinos opened up free from NJ's stifling regulations the writing was on the wall.
Is it possible for someone to love Trump so much ...

CL00 4 both y'all ...
  • ... Your casino loses money ...

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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by ed » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:55 pm

RCC: Act II wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:54 pm
What are these businesses? He's licensed his name to any number of idiots, often with little or no involvement. He managed to lose money in the casino business when it was booming. He torched the entire USFL based on his ego. He started a scam university that imploded. As far as his current trouble, the Turnberry deal alone should set off massive alarms. A guy worth 3B or so mostly in non-cash assets finds 200M+ under the couch cushions and the best anyone can do is vague claims of doing well?

His main business success has been inheriting wealth. His golf courses might do OK but given his pattern of losing money by recklessly spending on his idea of quality and opulence probably not. The further he gets from real estate investing the more he fucks up.

The fact that he claims a legitimate USGA handicap index of under three is staggering. Has to be cheating like a motherfucker to do that.
How much did he inherit?
What is his net worth?
I really resent being put in the position of defending this guy because of bullsgit fake news accusations.
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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by sparks » Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:05 pm

Then stop defending the fuckface. :)
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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by Grammatron » Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:08 pm

sparks wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:05 pm
Then stop defending the fuckface. :)
It would be a pretty shitty skeptical community if we didn't question absurd claims.

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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:09 pm

sparks wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:05 pm
Then stop defending the fuckface. :)
Stop being so enamored of The NarrativeTM that he's a failure.

Wishful thinking and underestimation are not useful political weapons. :wink:
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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by sparks » Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:15 pm

Granted. And to both of you.

But I just couldn't help myself from being a smartass. :)

Look it up: Orange Fuckface inherited/borrowed somewhere between 1 and 20 million from Daddy. His net worth is reported to be 2.8 billion. Which as you are all good with the maths, is not 10 billion.

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Post by Grammatron » Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:29 pm

sparks wrote:
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Granted. And to both of you.

But I just couldn't help myself from being a smartass. :)

Look it up: Orange Fuckface inherited/borrowed somewhere between 1 and 20 million from Daddy. His net worth is reported to be 2.8 billion. Which as you are all good with the maths, is not 10 billion.

"Because I'm Orange and Yuge!!!"
Trump inherited millions, not to mention running a multi-hundred-million dollars business his father built. However, Trump was able to leverage that into a multi-billion dollars global business. That is not something an idiot stumbles into.

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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by ed » Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:45 am

Multiple of 1000+ on an investment. Better than I do.
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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by sparks » Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:38 am

Grammatron wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:29 pm
sparks wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:15 pm
Granted. And to both of you.

But I just couldn't help myself from being a smartass. :)

Look it up: Orange Fuckface inherited/borrowed somewhere between 1 and 20 million from Daddy. His net worth is reported to be 2.8 billion. Which as you are all good with the maths, is not 10 billion.

"Because I'm Orange and Yuge!!!"
Trump inherited millions, not to mention running a multi-hundred-million dollars business his father built. However, Trump was able to leverage that into a multi-billion dollars global business. That is not something an idiot stumbles into.
Perhaps, unless you're in Manhattan real estate.
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Re: Is he indited yet?

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ed wrote:
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Multiple of 1000+ on an investment. Better than I do.
Yes, but you are from Florida. :)
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