President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:54 pm

Ann Coulter, who used to be every Republican's second favorite dominatrix, is now dissing The DonTM for being soft on immigration.

Really.

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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Giz » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:03 pm

Who are we counting as first? Hillary? (Or is there some other pundit?)

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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:14 pm

Giz wrote:
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Who are we counting as first? Hillary? (Or is there some other pundit?)
Condi of course. 8)
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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Skeeve » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:22 pm

Nyarlathotep wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:34 pm
Oooh, almost $5 million raised. Given the proposed cost that'll build what? 100 feet?

And I still wonder what the people who are all for the wall propose we will do with the Rio Grande. Wall ourselves off from it or build it straight down the middle?
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No need to build down the middle, just put it on our side of the Rio Grande...

Also the 120 per taxpayer sounds cheep IMHO...
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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Nyarlathotep » Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:41 pm

Yes, putting in on our side is the other option I mentioned "Wall ourselves off from it"
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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:46 pm

The best way to stop all this immigration is to become a hellhole.

Then the traffic will be on the other direction. :)
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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Nyarlathotep » Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:46 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:46 pm
The best way to stop all this immigration is to become a hellhole.

Then the traffic will be on the other direction. :)
That plan seems to be already in progress.
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right.
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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Skeeve » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:16 pm

Skeeve wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:22 pm
Nyarlathotep wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:34 pm
Oooh, almost $5 million raised. Given the proposed cost that'll build what? 100 feet?

And I still wonder what the people who are all for the wall propose we will do with the Rio Grande. Wall ourselves off from it or build it straight down the middle?
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No need to build down the middle, just put it on our side of the Rio Grande...

Also the 120 per taxpayer sounds cheep IMHO...
UPDATE: Border Wall GoFundMe Campaign Raises Over $12 Million; War Vet Founder Comes Under Fire
A GoFundMe campaign is seeking to "Make America safe again" by declaring "We The People Will Fund The Wall." In just four days, the account has raised over $12 million from donations from more than 200,000 people. But now, NBC News is sounding the alarm over the man who founded it, Iraq War veteran and three-time amputee Brian Kolfage.
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The government has accepted large private donations before, most recently a billionaire donated $7.5 Million to fund half of the Washington Monument repairs in 2012; this is no different.

Like a majority of those American citizens who voted to elect President Donald J Trump, we voted for him to Make America Great Again. President Trump’s main campaign promise was to BUILD THE WALL. And as he’s followed through on just about every promise so far, this wall project needs to be completed still.

As a veteran who has given so much, 3 limbs, I feel deeply invested to this nation to ensure future generations have everything we have today. Too many Americans have been murdered by illegal aliens and too many illegals are taking advantage of the United States taxpayers with no means of ever contributing to our society.

I have grandparents who immigrated to America legally, they did it the correct way and it's time we uphold our laws, and get this wall BUILT!It’s up to Americans to help out and pitch in to get this project rolling.

“If the 63 million people who voted for Trump each pledge $80, we can build the wall.” That equates to roughly 5Billion Dollars, even if we get half, that's half the wall. We can do this.
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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Nyarlathotep » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:42 pm

Ooooh, 12 million. That's three miles. Only 1,997 more to go. They are so very close...
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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:57 pm

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Ooooh, 12 million. That's three miles. Only 1,997 more to go. They are so very close...
Leaving aside the lack of mechanism for applying the money to the wall.

It is in fact possible to donate voluntarily to the US Treasury, but not to earmark your gift.
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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Nyarlathotep » Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:18 pm

Most likely, their 12 million would end up paying half an hour's interest on the national debt
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Post by Anaxagoras » Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:40 pm

I did briefly consider the possibility that this might just be a scam. Something about it sounded just a little too "on the nose". The disabled war vet angle.

Although it would be hard for him to simply pocket the money and get away with it, it does gain him something else: his face on TV, some name recognition. These things have value on their own and can be leveraged into money in other ways.
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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:58 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:
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I did briefly consider the possibility that this might just be a scam. ...
Now that you mention it ...

That's gotta be it. :figamagee:
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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:04 am

Nyarlathotep wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:18 pm
Most likely, their 12 million would end up paying half an hour's interest on the national debt
I just ran the numbers based on $310 billion per year interest on the national debt (which I just looked up).

You're remarkably close for a throw away line. :coolspecs:

$310,000,000,000 / 365.25 / 24 / 2 ~= $17,681,953
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Post by Nyarlathotep » Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:34 am

I was close because I heard a figure some time ago of $28 million per hour and went with that. But of course, more recent numbers are going to be higher.
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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by gnome » Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:05 am

I suppose a clever lawyer could get the money into an escrow that only pays out if congress authorizes the desired spending, or something like that.
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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Skeeve » Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:19 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:57 pm
Nyarlathotep wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:42 pm
Ooooh, 12 million. That's three miles. Only 1,997 more to go. They are so very close...
Leaving aside the lack of mechanism for applying the money to the wall.

It is in fact possible to donate voluntarily to the US Treasury, but not to earmark your gift.
Well actually, it seems money CAN be earmarked. There may be a bit of red tape involved though....
7.5 Million to fund half of the Washington Monument repairs
WASHINGTON, D.C.-Deputy Secretary of the Interior David J. Hayes, National Park Service Director Jonathan B. Jarvis, and Trust for the National Mall President Caroline Cunningham today announced a $7.5 million donation from philanthropist David M. Rubenstein to repair damage to the Washington Monument caused by a magnitude 5.8 earthquake last August. The gift matches federal funds approved by Congress in December and completes the funding necessary for the overall repair project.

Rubenstein's donation will be made through the Trust for the National Mall, the National Park Service's philanthropic partner whose Campaign for the National Mall will raise $350 million over five to seven years towards the $650 million needed to restore the National Mall.
It looks as if there must be *some* existing infrastructure to give to first...I don't know that the "Trump memorial southern wall" has any such infrastructure....yet.

Meanwhile, the total creeps up, it is now: $14,049,855 of $1.0B goal,
Raised by 230,330 people in 5 days!

We The People Will Fund The Wall
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