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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:11 am

FWIW, The 1976 National Emergencies Act was actually supposed to limit presidential power. It came not long after Watergate and Nixon's resignation.

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The National Emergencies Act (Pub.L. 94–412, 90 Stat. 1255, enacted September 14, 1976, codified at 50 U.S.C. § 1601–1651) is a United States federal law passed to stop open-ended states of national emergency and formalize the power of Congress to provide certain checks and balances on the emergency powers of the President. The Act of Congress imposes certain procedural formalities on the President when invoking such powers. The perceived need for the law arose from the scope and number of laws granting special powers to the executive in times of national emergency.
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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:23 am

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Which is why he can blame the Democrats. However, he is not limited to those funds as explained in the Turley article.

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Yeah, but even he admits that the funds he could possibly cobble together might be enough to start the wall, but not to finish it.
Congress gave Trump such authority in the National Emergencies Act, augmenting claims of inherent authority, but the source of the funds could be more challenging. Under two laws in Title 10 and Title 33 of the United States Code, he could seek to use unobligated funds originally set aside for military construction projects, or divert funds from Army civil works projects. There are limitations on the use of such money, and there could be strong challenges to the use of unobligated funds in other areas. There is money there to start but not nearly enough to finish such a wall without proper appropriation.
And as David French pointed out in his article, using the military and the military's budget to construct the wall looks to have problems. And it would involve invoking some kind of "eminent domain" as well.
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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

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Democrats paid for a wall ... in Jordan
By Jennifer Harper - The Washington Times - Wednesday, January 9, 2019

Those with long memories have recalled that prominent Democrats — including Sen. Charles E. Schumer and then-Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton — once heartily approved of funding a barrier wall on the southern U.S. border. Indeed, there are multiple records of their sentiments from back in the day, when the earnest lawmakers embraced border security without gusto. Now comes Part Two.

“Democrats funded a 287-mile wall in Jordan last year — but won’t fund a border wall in the U.S.,” writes Gateway Pundit Jim Hoft. “Nancy Pelosi argued this week that ‘walls are immoral.’ Chuck Schumer called President Trump’s stand against open borders a ‘manufactured crisis.’ But less than one year ago Pelosi and Schumer approved funding on a 287 mile long border wall — in Jordan.”

. . . “Democrats had no problem funding the wall in Jordan. It was not an ‘immoral wall.’ And that was only 10 months ago,” observes Mr. Hoft.
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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Doctor X » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:48 am

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Yeah, but even he admits that the funds he could possibly cobble together might be enough to start the wall, but not to finish it.
Which is a start and allows him to blame the Democrats for failing to complete it. Any slight decrease in crime numbers--which includes illegal immigration--will be cited by him and his supporters.
And as David French pointed out in his article, using the military and the military's budget to construct the wall looks to have problems. And it would involve invoking some kind of "eminent domain" as well.
Keep reading the Turley article: Congress gave the President that power.

Understand, I am not justifying it as "hey! What a good idea!" The Dems, if sincere, should fund the damn thing to a point and get reform of the rules for immigration to allow in more workers, blah, blah, blah, but they do not really care beyond whether or not it helps them politically . . . like the Republicans. If illegal immigrants supported Republicans Republicans would support them.

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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:12 am

Both sides have now stated positions where if they retreat from them, it would be seen as "caving".
Pelosi said something like "not one dime" and Trump said he wouldn't end the shutdown until he gets what he wants.

I agree though, that some money for a wall, in exchange for something the Dems want, would seem like a fair deal.
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Post by Doctor X » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:17 am

It would, particularly given the Democrats supported it previously . . . when "Someone Else" was President.

However, since the "talking point" is he is "illegitimate" and "cheated" to be President, they do not want to give him anything. Of course, I am sure the Republicans would have worked just squiffy with Her Turn. . . .

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xouper wrote:
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I find that’s a depressingly common definition of “compromise” in all walks of life.
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:22 am

Anaxagoras wrote:
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Yeah, but even he admits that the funds he could possibly cobble together might be enough to start the wall, but not to finish it.
A trick historically associated with Democrats, social programs, and fiscal irresponsibility.

So much for the trope that The Don "at least slows down" The BeastTM.

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:25 am

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I found that on the internet, so it must be true. :shock: :P :wink:
There are lots of border walls in the world, and many of them work.

Israel gets mentioned a lot in this context.

But walling off 3000 km of historically unsecured border is a whole nother proposition.
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Anaxagoras wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:23 am
Doctor X wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:29 am
Which is why he can blame the Democrats. However, he is not limited to those funds as explained in the Turley article.

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Yeah, but even he admits that the funds he could possibly cobble together might be enough to start the wall, but not to finish it.
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Post by Skeeve » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:13 pm

A Few Hours From Where Acosta Said There's No Crisis: 21 Bodies, Some Burned, Found In Mexican Border Town
On the same day that CNN Chief White House Correspondent Jim Acosta posted his report from McAllen, Texas assuring Americans that there wasn't "anything resembling a national emergency situation," at least not there, very different reports were coming out of a Mexican border town just a few hours northwest: Authorities found 21 bodies, some burned, after what appears to be yet another clash between rival drug cartel gangs.

"Mexican authorities said Thursday that 21 bodies, some burned, have been found in the northern Mexico border state of Tamaulipas in what appears to have been a clash between drug gangs. The bodies were found near the remains of seven burned-out vehicles near the border town of Miguel Aleman," CBS News reports.
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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Giz » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:30 pm

I think Skeeve, it goes:

No sign of crisis = we don't need a wall

Signs of crisis = it would be inhumane to build a wall

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Giz wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:30 pm
I think Skeeve, it goes:

No sign of crisis = we don't need a wall

Signs of crisis = it would be inhumane to build a wall
So the way it is presented: loose loose either way...Except!
It certainly makes Acosta look more like a total douche bag than he used to... IMHO, YMMV
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:24 am

How does the wall have anything to do one way or the other with what amount to mob hits?

Evil emanations from the Orange One?
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Post by Skeeve » Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:42 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
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How does the wall have anything to do one way or the other with what amount to mob hits?

Evil emanations from the Orange One?
I believe Jim's claim was something like: "All quiet on the southern front..."
With him standing in front of a wall, thus implying that the wall maybe a good idea (in some minds)...
It was stupid, and Trump made a good twitter reply (Dear diary...)

However, not so far away, the reality maybe otherwise?

IMHO,

YMMV.

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Post by Skeeve » Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:45 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:24 am
How does the wall have anything to do one way or the other with what amount to mob hits?

Evil emanations from the Orange One?
I believe Jim's claim was something like: "All quiet on the southern front..."
With him standing in front of a wall, (implying that a wall maybe maybe does do something...)
It was stupid, and Trump made a good twitter reply (Dear diary...)



However, not so far away, the reality is maybe otherwise?

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Post by Skeeve » Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:53 pm

Meanwhile: Another Caravan: New Migrant Group Forms, Prepares To Head North To U.S. Border
While Washington Post fact-checkers argue among themselves about whether or not the situation at the border constitutes a humanitarian crisis, the outlet reports that in Honduras another migrant caravan is preparing to start the long trek north.

"Another migrant caravan is forming in Honduras, with plans to set out next week on a journey that will once again test the immigration policies of Mexico and the United States," the Washington Post reports.

The Post notes that, as with the previous caravan, a flier has been "circulating on Honduran social media" announcing the plan to form a new group to head north. The flier provides the location where the new caravan is gathering — San Pedro Sula, a city close to the northern Honduran border — and says the group will set out at 5 a.m. on Jan. 15. "We're looking for refuge," reads the flier. "In Honduras, we are being killed."

The Mexican government is already preparing for the new caravan's arrival at the southern border with Guatemala, interior minister Olga Sánchez Cordero said at a press conference Monday. After having failed to stop thousands of migrants from illegally crossing into the country last year, Sánchez Cordero said this time they plan to more effectively lock down the border, in part by placing guards at 370 potential crossing points, the Post reports.
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