President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Skeeve » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:05 pm

Caravan migrants vow to get to US-Mexico border as fencing goes up
The migrants have been walking for three weeks and the most gruelling days demand treks of more than 100 miles (160km).

They reached a gymnasium in Cordoba where they held a vote to cover the 178 miles (285km) to Mexico City on Monday by walking and hitching rides.
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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Skeeve » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:39 pm

Trump's border deployments could cost $220 million as Pentagon sees no threat from migrant caravan
WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump's move to deploy troops to the U.S.-Mexico border is shaping up to cost $220 million, according to two U.S. defense officials who were not authorized to speak publicly.
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Critics have called the deployment a political stunt. Defense Secretary James Mattis, however, downplayed that criticism last week. "The support that we provide to the secretary for homeland security is practical support based on the request from the commissioner of customs and border police. We don't do stunts in this department," he said Wednesday.

A Pentagon risk assessment found that the caravan did not pose a threat to the United States, according to a person with direct knowledge of U.S. intelligence.
A huh...

So, confidential "sources" for both claims....$220 Million, staff, support, logistics and
material and labor for barbed wire to cover the (non walled) boarder...I could think of worse things to spend money on.

Example:
Mueller "probe" into Russian collusion...
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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Skeeve » Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:26 pm

Update: Trump limits asylum, says migrants must "have merit'
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump on Friday invoked extraordinary national security powers to deny asylum to migrants who enter the country illegally, tightening the border as caravans of Central Americans slowly approach the United States.

Trump is using the same powers he used to push through a version of the travel ban that was upheld by the Supreme Court. The proclamation puts into place regulations adopted Thursday that circumvent laws stating that anyone is eligible for asylum no matter how he or she enters the country.

"We need people in our country but they have to come in legally and they have to have merit," Trump said Friday as he departed for Paris.
What?
Accept people who have skills that we really need????
Is he trying to turn this country into a meritocracy?
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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Giz » Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:30 pm

The dems will have standing to file suit: these folks represent critically needed future votes.

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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Skeeve » Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:11 pm

US closes busiest Mexico border crossing for several hours
TIJUANA, Mexico (AP) — The United States closed off northbound traffic for several hours at the busiest border crossing with Mexico to install new security barriers on Monday, a day after hundreds of Tijuana residents protested against the presence of thousands of Central American migrants.

The U.S. also closed one of two pedestrian crossings at the San Ysidro crossing in a move apparently aimed at preventing any mass rush of migrants across the border.

The installation of movable, wire-topped barriers threatens to complicate life for Mexicans using San Ysidro, where about 110,000 people enter the U.S. every day in 40,000 vehicles.

Long lines backed up in Tijuana, where many people have to cross the border to work on the U.S. side.

Such inconveniences prompted by the arrival of the migrant caravan may have played a role in Sunday's protests, when about 400 Tijuana residents waved Mexican flags, sang the Mexican national anthem and chanted "Out! Out!" referring to the migrant caravan that arrived in the border city last week.
What?
They do not welcome them with open arms?
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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by ed » Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:58 pm

Skeeve wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:39 pm
Trump's border deployments could cost $220 million as Pentagon sees no threat from migrant caravan
WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump's move to deploy troops to the U.S.-Mexico border is shaping up to cost $220 million, according to two U.S. defense officials who were not authorized to speak publicly.
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Critics have called the deployment a political stunt. Defense Secretary James Mattis, however, downplayed that criticism last week. "The support that we provide to the secretary for homeland security is practical support based on the request from the commissioner of customs and border police. We don't do stunts in this department," he said Wednesday.

A Pentagon risk assessment found that the caravan did not pose a threat to the United States, according to a person with direct knowledge of U.S. intelligence.
A huh...

So, confidential "sources" for both claims....$220 Million, staff, support, logistics and
material and labor for barbed wire to cover the (non walled) boarder...I could think of worse things to spend money on.

Example:
Mueller "probe" into Russian collusion...
Bullshit. Most (all?) of these things are sunk costs. Question is what is the incremental coat.
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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Skeeve » Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:16 pm

DHS’ Nielsen: 500 Known Criminals in Migrant Caravan Headed to Border
U.S. Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen visited Border Field State Park Tuesday to view reinforcements added along the Mexican border in anticipation of a caravan of Central American migrants, saying her agency will do what it takes to prevent illegal crossings.
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During her visit Tuesday, Nielsen echoed President Donald Trump’s disagreement with reports that the migrants in and traveling to Tijuana have legitimate asylum claims and are mostly women.

She said at least 500 of the migrants heading for the border are known criminals, although she did not say how she arrived at that figure.
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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Rob Lister » Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:47 am

This is a weird world we live in.

Clinton denounces immigration in Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... ump-brexit
In an interview with the Guardian, the former Democratic presidential candidate praised the generosity shown by the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, but suggested immigration was inflaming voters and contributed to the election of Donald Trump and Britain’s vote to leave the EU.

I think Europe needs to get a handle on migration because that is what lit the flame,” Clinton said, speaking as part of a series of interviews with senior centrist political figures about the rise of populists, particularly on the right, in Europe and the Americas.

“I admire the very generous and compassionate approaches that were taken particularly by leaders like Angela Merkel, but I think it is fair to say Europe has done its part, and must send a very clear message – ‘we are not going to be able to continue provide refuge and support’ – because if we don’t deal with the migration issue it will continue to roil the body politic.
:o

I guess in her estimation, her stance on immigration lost her the election. I guess she estimates rightly.

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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by ed » Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:01 pm

This is pretty obvious.
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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Rob Lister » Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:21 pm

weird that she's the first to get admit it.

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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:26 pm

Maybe she denounces immigration in Europe because she intends to retire there. :)
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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by ed » Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:31 pm

I think that any thinking person would surmise that the population of the EU might resent having their culture compromised by an alien invasion. Their "betters" understand the higher purpose but the plebes don't get it.

When a population is pushed you get a Hitler or an autocrat that promises immediate relief. And the damn euros have amply demonstrated that they are more than willing to murder each other and anyone else that gets in the way.

And Chamberlain is a perfect example. Yeah, I know the revisionist version, better to jaw jaw etc. But fucking well meaning cowards get other people killed. He shoulda known. It was his damn job to know. As an elite he was born and bred to know. No excuse.

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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Nov 23, 2018 2:20 pm

Sorry ed.

The Hitler analogy does not work in either direction.

Whatever is going on, history does not repeat itself.
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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by ed » Fri Nov 23, 2018 4:01 pm

No, never, you're right.
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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Skeeve » Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:30 am

Rob Lister wrote:
Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:47 am
This is a weird world we live in.

Clinton denounces immigration in Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... ump-brexit
In an interview with the Guardian, the former Democratic presidential candidate praised the generosity shown by the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, but suggested immigration was inflaming voters and contributed to the election of Donald Trump and Britain’s vote to leave the EU.
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So open borders and unbridled immigration is not the next best thing to sliced bread?

Meanwhile: Migrants come within 500 feet of U.S. border
A small group of about 150 migrants broke away from a larger caravan to push within 500 feet of the U.S. border. The mayor of Tijuana declared a "humanitarian crisis," saying they are unequipped to handle a growing number of migrants.
Well Juan, now you know how some folks on this side of the Rio Grande feel...
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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Rob Lister » Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:50 am

Skeeve wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:30 am
Rob Lister wrote:
Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:47 am
This is a weird world we live in.

Clinton denounces immigration in Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... ump-brexit
In an interview with the Guardian, the former Democratic presidential candidate praised the generosity shown by the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, but suggested immigration was inflaming voters and contributed to the election of Donald Trump and Britain’s vote to leave the EU.
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So open borders and unbridled immigration is not the next best thing to sliced bread?
That's not what she said. She said the deplorables were against it and there two many deplorables.

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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Skeeve » Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:29 am

Rob Lister wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:50 am
Skeeve wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:30 am
Rob Lister wrote:
Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:47 am
This is a weird world we live in.

Clinton denounces immigration in Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... ump-brexit
In an interview with the Guardian, the former Democratic presidential candidate praised the generosity shown by the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, but suggested immigration was inflaming voters and contributed to the election of Donald Trump and Britain’s vote to leave the EU.
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So open borders and unbridled immigration is not the next best thing to sliced bread?
That's not what she said. She said the deplorables were against it and there two many deplorables.
But I thought she was an 'open borders' person...no?
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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Skeeve » Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:37 am

Meanwhile: Trump threatens to shut down the border
As thousands of troops deployed to the southern border were treated to a Thanksgiving meal, the president threatened to completely shut down the border. ABC News' Tara Palmeri reports.
:Popcorn:

Okay another update: Migrant Caravan Planning ‘Human Stampede’ Into America...
Members of a migrant caravan that marched from Central America through Mexico are reportedly talking about crossing the U.S. border in what amounts to a "human stampede" in order to draw reaction from the Trump administration

“They have that intention,” Sergio Tamai, a founder of Angels without Borders, a group that is aiding the migrants, told Telemundo 20 in San Diego, Fox News reported. “I believe that thousands could make that jump.”
That is not the interesting part, this is.
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President Trump on Thursday was firm in his opposition to the caravan.

"We’re going to have a strong border. Our Southern border is going to be very strong.
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The Democrats want open borders and they want these people coming in. Many of these people are criminals, OK? We know who they are," Trump told reporters.

He also said the U.S. actually closed the border already.


"Two days ago, we closed the border. We actually just closed it, said nobody’s coming in because it was just out of control. You take a look at Tijuana, Mexico and you see what’s happening there? It’s a bad situation," he said. "You ask the people of Tijuana, Mexico, they opened up with wide arms, just come in, come in, let me help you, let us take care of you. And within two days, they’re going crazy to get them out. They want them out because bad things are happening in Tijuana, and again, it’s not happening in this country because we closed it up."
I had heard about the "500 criminals" in this caravan before, and have posted about the good people of Tijuana being 'unhappy' with the (very selective) asylum sealers, but the border shutdown?
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Trump said the refugees can go to the back of the line and apply for entry into the United States.

"People have been waiting in line for years to become citizens. Great people, great for our country. And then these people come in and they think they’re just going to walk in. It’s a very unfair thing to people who have been waiting in line in some cases for many years because they’ve done it right.
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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by WildCat » Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:16 pm

Do you have questions about God?

you sniveling little right-wing nutter - jj

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Re: President Trump May Use Military to Build Border Wall

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:45 pm

Not bad until he suggests the USA go "clean up" Honduras.

We can beat anybody, but somehow we suck at being world cop.
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