Jamal Khashoggi

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"Ed Way" would be better.

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Re: Jamal Khashoggi

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Report: Saudi investigators worked to remove evidence

Members of a team from Saudi Arabia sent to help Turkish authorities investigate the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi worked instead to remove evidence of the slaying, a senior Turkish official said Monday.

The official confirmed a report in Turkey's Sabah newspaper that an 11-member team of Saudi investigators that arrived in Turkey nine days after Khashoggi was killed to take part in a joint Turkish-Saudi probe included experts on chemistry and toxicology who were reportedly charged with obfuscating the evidence.

The official said Turkey believes that two members of the team "came to Turkey for the sole purpose of covering up evidence" before Turkish police were allowed to search the Saudi Consulate, where Khashoggi was killed on Oct. 2 after he entered to collect a document he needed to marry his Turkish fiancee.

The official said the fact that a clean-up team was dispatched suggests that Khashoggi's killing "was within the knowledge of top Saudi officials." The official spoke on condition of anonymity, in line with government rules.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wi ... e-58970313

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Re: Jamal Khashoggi

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Re: Jamal Khashoggi

Post by Skeeve » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:22 pm

I am waiting for the "on line" version...I wonder if it is faked, or real, or a combination of the two....

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Re: Jamal Khashoggi

Post by Anaxagoras » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:40 pm

Skeeve wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:22 pm
I am waiting for the "on line" version...I wonder if it is faked, or real, or a combination of the two....

:Popcorn:
I don't want to hear them myself, but Saudi Arabia has already basically admitted that they killed him and that it was premeditated. I see no reason to make fake tapes.

Saudis now admit Jamal Khashoggi’s killing was planned
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Re: Jamal Khashoggi

Post by gnome » Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:57 am

They've hired OJ to help them find who ordered the killings. They will not rest!
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Well, he could be buried in a Florida golf course.

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Re: Jamal Khashoggi

Post by ed » Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:55 am

Doctor X wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:04 am
Well, he could be buried in a Florida golf course.

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Re: Jamal Khashoggi

Post by Witness » Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:16 pm

Saudi Arabia says 11 suspects indicted, prosecutors requesting death penalty for 5 for writer Jamal Khashoggi’s killing
https://apnews.com/329d423b907a470f942534023ab10d1b
Trump administration sanctions 17 Saudis over Khashoggi killing

Among those being sanctioned are Saud al-Qahtani, a former top aide to Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman who the Treasury Department says was part of the “planning and execution” of the operation that led to Khashoggi's death, as well as a top subordinate and the Saudi consul general in Istanbul.

“The Saudi officials we are sanctioning were involved in the abhorrent killing of Jamal Khashoggi,” Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said in a statement. “These individuals who targeted and brutally killed a journalist who resided and worked in the United States must face consequences for their actions.”

The sanctions mark the U.S.'s most sweeping punishment to date of Saudis over the journalist's killing, which sparked a diplomatic crisis with one of President Trump's closest Middle East partners.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... gi-killing

But The Prince™ did nothing wrong. :roll:

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Re: Jamal Khashoggi

Post by Anaxagoras » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:56 am

Witness wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:16 pm
But The Prince™ did nothing wrong. :roll:
Hard to believe.

Are all these people just going to go along with that story, even to the death?

Were they promised "we'll make sure your families are well compensated. (and by the way it would be a shame for them, a terrible shame, if we had to punish them too. You know what's expected of you. Do this for your country, and especially for your family.)"? :notsure:

So yeah, conceivably by holding their families hostage (implicitly of course, but making it very clear) they could force these scapegoats to go along with the lie to protect the boss even if their own lives are to be forfeit. Like the code of omerta.

But, I don't believe many people will be fooled. They may not dare to say it out loud, but they know. They all know the truth. I hope it tortures him and bedevils him for the rest of his life.
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Re: Jamal Khashoggi

Post by Witness » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:41 am

↑ I doubt that last sentence very much. :|

Now for more Realpolitik© (if the article is trustworthy):
To ease Turkish pressure on Saudis over killing, White House weighs expelling Erdogan foe

"Once they realized it was a serious request, the career guys were furious," a U.S. official said of request tied to Khashoggi killing.

WASHINGTON — The White House is looking for ways to remove an enemy of Turkish President Recep Erdogan from the U.S. in order to placate Turkey over the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, according to two senior U.S. officials and two other people briefed on the requests.

Trump administration officials last month asked federal law enforcement agencies to examine legal ways of removing exiled Turkish cleric Fethullah Gulen in an attempt to persuade Erdogan to ease pressure on the Saudi government, the four sources said.

The effort includes directives to the Justice Department and FBI that officials reopen Turkey's case for his extradition, as well as a request to the Homeland Security Department for information about his legal status, the four people said.

They said the White House specifically wanted details about Gulen's residency status in the U.S. Gulen has a Green Card, according to two people familiar with the matter. He has been living in Pennsylvania since the late 1990s.

Career officials at the agencies pushed back on the White House requests, the U.S. officials and people briefed on the requests said.

"At first there were eye rolls, but once they realized it was a serious request, the career guys were furious," said a senior U.S. official involved in the process.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation ... ey-n933996

Another article on the same subject: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/11 ... rabia.html

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Re: Jamal Khashoggi

Post by Skeeve » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:17 am

Anaxagoras wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:56 am
Witness wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:16 pm
But The Prince™ did nothing wrong. :roll:
Hard to believe.

...*yuuuugge snip....
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Re: Jamal Khashoggi

Post by Witness » Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:12 am

CIA concludes Saudi crown prince ordered Jamal Khashoggi’s assassination

The CIA has concluded that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the assassination of journalist Jamal Khashoggi in Istanbul last month, contradicting the Saudi government’s claims that he was not involved in the killing, according to people familiar with the matter.
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In reaching its conclusions, the CIA examined multiple sources of intelligence, including a phone call that the prince’s brother Khalid bin Salman, the Saudi ambassador to the United States, had with Khashoggi, according to the people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the intelligence. Khalid told Khashoggi, a contributing columnist to The Washington Post, that he should go to the Saudi consulate in Istanbul to retrieve the documents and gave him assurances that it would be safe to do so.

It is not clear if Khalid knew that Khashoggi would be killed, but he made the call at his brother’s direction, according to the people familiar with the call, which was intercepted by U.S. intelligence.

Fatimah Baeshen, a spokeswoman for the Saudi Embassy in Washington, said the ambassador and Khashoggi never discussed “anything related to going to Turkey.” She added that the claims in the CIA’s “purported assessment are false. We have and continue to hear various theories without seeing the primary basis for these speculations.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... 67237503bd

EXCLUSIVE: Turkey to use intercepted Saudi comms to demolish Khashoggi cover-up

Turkey is in possession of reams of phone calls in and out of the Saudi consulate, MEE learns, and will release them piece by piece

Turkey has a complete record of communications in and out of Saudi Arabia’s Istanbul consulate in the week of Jamal Khashoggi’s murder, a senior Turkish source has told Middle East Eye. The communications will be used to tear apart Riyadh's latest version of the killing.

These recordings, MEE has learned, have given Turkey a detailed picture of the various operatives, teams and missions issued from Saudi Arabia.

And the contents of these communications, the source said, will turn the screw on a Saudi leadership that has sought to insulate itself from the scandal.

According to the source, Turkey intends to drip feed the information gleaned from the communications to the media, as it has been doing ever since Khashoggi was brutally murdered by a team of 15 Saudis on 2 October.

The Khashoggi-related conversations that Turkish intelligence intercepted began when the Washington Post columnist first came to his country’s consulate on 28 September in an attempt to get papers required to remarry.

The plan to kill Khashoggi, who was told to return to the consulate four days later, began to be hatched the moment he left the building, the source said.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/excl ... -185497944

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Re: Jamal Khashoggi

Post by Grammatron » Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:00 am

according to people familiar with the matter
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said a U.S. official familiar with the CIA’s conclusions.
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according to officials in several European capitals
Fantastic

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Re: Jamal Khashoggi

Post by Anaxagoras » Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:32 am

Grammatron wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:00 am
according to people familiar with the matter
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said a U.S. official familiar with the CIA’s conclusions.
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according to officials in several European capitals
Fantastic
Well, CIA intelligence is generally classified information, so I'm not surprised that they haven't officially publicly announced this.
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Re: Jamal Khashoggi

Post by Witness » Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:16 am

Crown Prince’s wings clipped as Khashoggi death rattles Riyadh

Fallout from killing has weakened Prince Mohammed and given second wind to old guard of elders

Six weeks after Jamal Khashoggi was murdered by Saudi agents, the decision-making process in Riyadh is slowly starting to change. Fallout from the assassination in Istanbul has wounded Mohammed bin Salman, the heir to the throne, and given a second wind to an old guard of elders, whose views are once more being heard.

Publicly, the kingdom’s leaders appear chastened and contrite in the wake of Khashoggi’s gruesome killing inside the Saudi consulate. In private though, senior members of the House of Saud, including the crown prince, are partly blaming Turkey for the global revulsion, which they say could have been contained if Ankara had played by “regional rules”. [Love the "regional rules"! :mrgreen: ]

Central to the resentment, according to sources close to the royal court in Riyadh, is a view that the Turkish president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, betrayed the kingdom by disclosing details of the investigation and refusing all overtures from Saudi envoys, including an offer to pay “significant” compensation.
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The extraordinary ramifications of Khashoggi’s death continue to reverberate through the halls of power in Riyadh, where some decisions are now being made away from the ubiquitous crown prince, who Turkey alleges directly ordered the assassination, and has since tried to deflect blame to fall guys, including his most prominent domestic aide. Ankara has been aiming to isolate Prince Mohammed through weeks of pointed rhetoric that has appealed to the Saudi king to rein in his son, and restore more conventional ways of doing business.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... les-riyadh

Hmmm…

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Re: Jamal Khashoggi

Post by xouper » Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:24 am

Amateurs. Perhaps they could use some pointers from the Clintons on how to “disappear” your enemies. :P

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Re: Jamal Khashoggi

Post by Grammatron » Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:22 am

Anaxagoras wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:32 am
Grammatron wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:00 am
according to people familiar with the matter
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said a U.S. official familiar with the CIA’s conclusions.
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according to officials in several European capitals
Fantastic
Well, CIA intelligence is generally classified information, so I'm not surprised that they haven't officially publicly announced this.
Forgoing the option of all this being made up, if such a CIA report exists, then I would imagine it to be far more nuanced than anything WaPo suggests in that article.

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Re: Jamal Khashoggi

Post by Anaxagoras » Sun Nov 18, 2018 2:25 pm

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/18/trump-c ... sible.html

Reports that the CIA has briefed Trump and also members of congress.
Trump discussed the CIA assessment by phone with the agency's director, Gina Haspel, and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo while flying to California on Saturday, White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders told reporters.

The CIA had briefed other parts of the U.S. government, including Congress, on its assessment, sources told Reuters on Friday, a development that complicates Trump's efforts to preserve ties with the key U.S. ally.

A source familiar with the CIA's assessment said it was based largely on circumstantial evidence relating to the prince's central role in running the Saudi government.
"Everything points to the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, MbS, ordering @washingtonpost journalist Jamal #Khashoggi's killing. The Trump administration should make a credible determination of responsibility before MbS executes the men who apparently carried out his orders," tweeted Senator Bob Corker, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, on Saturday.
So the Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, a Republican, says ""Everything points to the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, MbS, ordering @washingtonpost journalist Jamal #Khashoggi's killing." I assume, given his position, he would be one of the ones briefed by the CIA.
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Post by Witness » Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:07 pm

Trump does not want to hear tape of 'vicious' Khashoggi murder

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said he does not want to listen to an audio recording of the murder of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi despite facing mounting pressure to punish Saudi Arabia for the killing.

Khashoggi was killed inside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on Oct. 2, and Turkey has given the U.S. government a recording of the murder, but Trump said he would not listen to it “because it’s a suffering tape, it’s a terrible tape.”

“I don’t want to hear the tape, no reason for me to hear the tape,” Trump said in an interview with “Fox News Sunday.”

“I know everything that went on in the tape without having to hear it ... It was very violent, very vicious and terrible.”

Trump also said he wants to maintain a close alliance with Saudi Arabia despite Khashoggi’s death and questioned the alleged role of Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, who is known as MbS and is the kingdom’s de facto ruler.

“He told me that he had nothing to do with it,” Trump said, adding that “many people” also said the crown prince had no knowledge of the killing.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saud ... reddit.com

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