The Stench Of Hypocrisy

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The Stench Of Hypocrisy

Post by Luke T. » Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:51 pm

A Republican Congressman, whose $174,000 Congressional salary is not being interrupted during the shutdown, said federal workers should have a financial buffer in the event of a shutdown during which they don't get paid.

The reason this Congressman's head did not immediately explode from cognitive dissonance is because that requires...you know...cognition.

The whole reason there is a shutdown is because the Republican Congress and the Republican President have run out of other people's money and they are demanding to borrow more of other people's money they can spend.

Money from people who have not even been born yet.

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2018/12/u ... tdown.html
The larger point he was trying to make, Perry said, is that all workers - public and private sector - are better off if they try to “put something back” so they have some emergency reserves in case of a sudden layoff.
Emergency reserves, said the big spending deficit-building motherfucker.
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Re: The Stench Of Hypocrisy

Post by Luke T. » Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:55 pm

Since taking power, the Republicans have DOUBLED the deficit.

It was declining for several years, and then the Republicans took power and accelerated it.

For FY2019, Deficit Donald submitted the largest budget request in the history of the Universe. A full trillion dollars more than Obama spent in his worst year.

$4.407 trillion.

The next time someone tells you Republicans are all about small government and balanced budgets, just reach over and bitch slap them.

Hard.
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Re: The Stench Of Hypocrisy

Post by Giz » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:37 pm

It’s a tough choice.

One side will unapologetically spend like drunken sailors.

The other side acknowledges that there is a problem, then spends like drunken sailors at a frat party in Vegas.

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Re: The Stench Of Hypocrisy

Post by Bruce » Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:06 am

4.4 trillion


Makes the age of the universe, 14 billion, seem rather young, doesn't it?
Such potential!

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Re: The Stench Of Hypocrisy

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:30 am

It's more "let them eat cake" than regular hypocrisy.

Which is much worse.
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Re: The Stench Of Hypocrisy

Post by WildCat » Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:42 am

Luke T. wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:55 pm
Since taking power, the Republicans have DOUBLED the deficit.
Not even close. 2018 deficit is $779 billion. Compare to Obama's worst years:
2010: $1.294 trillion
2011: $1.295 trillion
2012: $1.087 trillion

It declined through 2015, thanks to the budget sequestration that the GOP passed over Obama's and Democrats' strong objections. But now mandatory spending increases are making it creep up again.
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Re: The Stench Of Hypocrisy

Post by gnome » Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:54 am

WildCat wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:42 am
Luke T. wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:55 pm
Since taking power, the Republicans have DOUBLED the deficit.
Not even close. 2018 deficit is $779 billion. Compare to Obama's worst years:
2010: $1.294 trillion
2011: $1.295 trillion
2012: $1.087 trillion

It declined through 2015, thanks to the budget sequestration that the GOP passed over Obama's and Democrats' strong objections. But now mandatory spending increases are making it creep up again.
Hmmm. The 2013 Sequestration was created by the Budget Control Act of 2011, which Obama signed. As many House democrats voted for it as against it, and in the Senate it was more popular with the Democrats than the Republicans, by vote.

So what form did these "strong objections" take?

2016: $548 Billion

"Double" may be off, though.
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Re: The Stench Of Hypocrisy

Post by Giz » Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:55 am

Bruce wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:06 am
4.4 trillion


Makes the age of the universe, 14 billion, seem rather young, doesn't it?
Is 4.4T only about 15,000 bucks per man, woman and child? Seems like we can do better!

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Re: The Stench Of Hypocrisy

Post by WildCat » Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:04 am

gnome wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:54 am
Hmmm. The 2013 Sequestration was created by the Budget Control Act of 2011, which Obama signed.
It was passed by a veto-proof majority. Obama opposed the sequestratiuon clause.
The sequester is “dumb” but is “not going to be an apocalypse,” President Obama said Friday following a White House meeting with congressional leaders.

The White House has been playing up what it says will be the devastating effects to the economy and military as a result of the $85 billion in automatic spending cuts.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... blame-game
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Re: The Stench Of Hypocrisy

Post by Witness » Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:05 am

Per capita:

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https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/10/ ... er-person/

Couldn't find a good map. It would also be interesting to have it as percentage of GDP.

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Re: The Stench Of Hypocrisy

Post by WildCat » Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:06 am

Giz wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:55 am
Bruce wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:06 am
4.4 trillion


Makes the age of the universe, 14 billion, seem rather young, doesn't it?
Is 4.4T only about 15,000 bucks per man, woman and child? Seems like we can do better!
Here in Illinois the unfunded pension liability is about twice that for every man, woman, and child. Again, that's just what would be needed to fully fund the pensions if it was spent today.
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Re: The Stench Of Hypocrisy

Post by gnome » Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:44 am

WildCat wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:04 am
gnome wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:54 am
Hmmm. The 2013 Sequestration was created by the Budget Control Act of 2011, which Obama signed.
It was passed by a veto-proof majority. Obama opposed the sequestratiuon clause.
The sequester is “dumb” but is “not going to be an apocalypse,” President Obama said Friday following a White House meeting with congressional leaders.

The White House has been playing up what it says will be the devastating effects to the economy and military as a result of the $85 billion in automatic spending cuts.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... blame-game
It WAS dumb, to institute automatic hamfisted cuts because Congress as a whole wasn't mature enough to actually plan it out. Committed ourselves to a big game of budgetary chicken and each side was sure the other would be blamed worse when it failed, so there was no chance of pulling away.

We should try that with nuclear weapons sometime.
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Re: The Stench Of Hypocrisy

Post by WildCat » Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:31 am

gnome wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:44 am
It WAS dumb, to institute automatic hamfisted cuts because Congress as a whole wasn't mature enough to actually plan it out. Committed ourselves to a big game of budgetary chicken and each side was sure the other would be blamed worse when it failed, so there was no chance of pulling away.

We should try that with nuclear weapons sometime.
If it wasn't for hamfisted cuts there'd be no cuts at all. And I bet you didn;t even notice the "cuts". In scare quotes because in politician speak a "cut" is less of an increase than what you'd like.

Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
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Post by Doctor X » Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:51 am

How have either party handled military base closures?

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Re: The Stench Of Hypocrisy

Post by gnome » Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:08 am

WildCat wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:31 am
gnome wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:44 am
It WAS dumb, to institute automatic hamfisted cuts because Congress as a whole wasn't mature enough to actually plan it out. Committed ourselves to a big game of budgetary chicken and each side was sure the other would be blamed worse when it failed, so there was no chance of pulling away.

We should try that with nuclear weapons sometime.
If it wasn't for hamfisted cuts there'd be no cuts at all.
And that is, as I said, dumb. True doesn't make it less so.
And I bet you didn;t even notice the "cuts". In scare quotes because in politician speak a "cut" is less of an increase than what you'd like.

Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
I didn't notice them hitting me personally (except how it played merry chaos with Medicare claims processing for a while), but that is because around then I wasn't in need of housing assistance or using Medicare or any of the other government services affected.
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Re: The Stench Of Hypocrisy

Post by Luke T. » Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:25 am

WildCat wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:42 am
Luke T. wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:55 pm
Since taking power, the Republicans have DOUBLED the deficit.
Not even close. 2018 deficit is $779 billion. Compare to Obama's worst years:
2010: $1.294 trillion
2011: $1.295 trillion
2012: $1.087 trillion

It declined through 2015, thanks to the budget sequestration that the GOP passed over Obama's and Democrats' strong objections. But now mandatory spending increases are making it creep up again.
I can't help but notice you stopped at 2012.

The FY2015 deficit was $439 billion.

The FY2019 deficit is $1 trillion.

So, as I was saying, since taking power, the Republicans have DOUBLED the deficit.
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Re: The Stench Of Hypocrisy

Post by Luke T. » Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:27 am

Bruce wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:06 am
4.4 trillion


Makes the age of the universe, 14 billion, seem rather young, doesn't it?
Yep. Trump submitted a $4.407 budget for FY2019. A trillion dollars more than Obama's worst year of spending.

Obama + $1 trillion = Trump.
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Post by Luke T. » Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:29 am

As he promised, Trump has turned things around. The declining deficit he inherited is now double what it was, and accelerating upward. Trump has submitted the biggest spending budget by any human in the history of the world.

The longest bull run in history which had eight years of momentum behind it has been turned around. Trillions have been lost as the Dow dives, thanks to Shutdown Tariff Man.

Elected on third base, Trump is trying to steal second!
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Re: The Stench Of Hypocrisy

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:21 am

Luke T. wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:25 am
WildCat wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:42 am
Luke T. wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:55 pm
Since taking power, the Republicans have DOUBLED the deficit.
Not even close. 2018 deficit is $779 billion. Compare to Obama's worst years:
2010: $1.294 trillion
2011: $1.295 trillion
2012: $1.087 trillion

It declined through 2015, thanks to the budget sequestration that the GOP passed over Obama's and Democrats' strong objections. But now mandatory spending increases are making it creep up again.
I can't help but notice you stopped at 2012.

The FY2015 deficit was $439 billion.

The FY2019 deficit is $1 trillion.

So, as I was saying, since taking power, the Republicans have DOUBLED the deficit.
For context, Obama's big deficits came during the worst recession since the Great Depression. Trump's deficits come while the economy is growing strongly and unemployment is at a 40-year low. You have to consider the 2008 financial crisis, which began before he took office, and its lingering effects. A Keynesian economist would say spend when the economy is in a slump, but save some money for a rainy day when the economy is in good shape. So Obama at least had a good economic reason to run big deficits. If you wanted to do something about the debt, there's no better time to do it than when the economy is in good shape generally.
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