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What is the precise legal definition of "violent" in Pennsylvania? Now that we have a lawyer in the house again ...

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:01 pm

Violent Video Game Tax Proposed In Pennsylvania
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Lawmakers from Pennsylvania have put forth a bill that proposes a 10% excise tax on violent video games. House Bill 109 seeks to impose the so-called "sin tax" on games sold at retail that are rated by the ESRB as M for Mature or Adults-Only. The money would go into a fund called the "Digital Protection for School Safety Account" that aims to enhance security measures at schools in the wake of the school shootings in Parkland, Florida and Newtown, Connecticut.

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There's some serious (notional not graphic) violence in the best game EVAR (NetHack), but the game is free so no tax anyway. :coolspecs:
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Re: What is the precise legal definition of "violent" in Pennsylvania? Now that we have a lawyer in the house again ...

Post by Skeeve » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:18 pm

INTRODUCED BY QUINN, HILL-EVANS AND NEILSON, JANUARY 28, 2019
REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON FINANCE, JANUARY 28, 2019
Christopher B. Quinn
https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/le ... fm?id=1741

Carol Hill-Evans
https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/le ... fm?id=1749

Ed Neilson
https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/le ... fm?id=1615


Introduced in committe in the PA house...hopefully it will die there too...
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After the Sandy Hook shooting, a lawmaker from Connecticut proposed a similar tax in 2013. Also that year, a state representative from Missouri proposed a sales tax on games rated M and above. In both cases, the funds would have gone towards mental health programs. However, the bills never became law.
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Post by RCC: Act II » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:26 pm

They are punting that determination to the ESRB.

I have doubts that the legislature can straight up delegate those designations to the ESRB though. There would have to be some mechanism of review and formal adoption, which would be a headache.

Once they do that, then the 1st amendment lawsuits can commence.

Just a dumb idea.

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Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:52 pm

If it's based on the rating then the law doesn't need to define violence.

Seems dumb but probably video game makers aren't going to worry too much if it's only one state.


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Post by RCC: Act II » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:58 pm

Plus the shifting idea of what "buying a video game" means these days with digital distribution, free to play but with a ton of pricey add-ons or a ton of ads, etc.

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:59 pm

Maybe it's not social engineering at all and they are just trying to squeeze a little extra revenue.
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Post by RCC: Act II » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:51 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:59 pm
Maybe it's not social engineering at all and they are just trying to squeeze a little extra revenue.
It is both. It is always both when dealing with taxes, whether it is intentional or not.

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Post by Grammatron » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:57 pm

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