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Wikipedia founder admits to serious quality problems

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:42 am

From The Register
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Encouraging signs from the Wikipedia project, where co-founder and überpedian Jimmy Wales has acknowledged there are real quality problems with the online work.

Criticism of the project from within the inner sanctum has been very rare so far, although fellow co-founder Larry Sanger, who is no longer associated with the project, pleaded with the management to improve its content by befriending, and not alienating, established sources of expertise. (i.e., people who know what they're talking about.) ...
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Post by Geni » Thu Oct 20, 2005 12:39 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:From The Register
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10/18 ... y_problem/
Encouraging signs from the Wikipedia project, where co-founder and überpedian Jimmy Wales has acknowledged there are real quality problems with the online work.

Criticism of the project from within the inner sanctum has been very rare so far, although fellow co-founder Larry Sanger, who is no longer associated with the project, pleaded with the management to improve its content by befriending, and not alienating, established sources of expertise. (i.e., people who know what they're talking about.) ...
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As critisms go it isn't the best informed I've seen. It largly seems to be based on the views of people we've pissed off. For example:
And Wikipedia's "cabal" has become notorious for deterring knowledgable and literate contributors. One who became weary of the in-fighting, Orthogonal, calls it Wikipedia's HUAC - the House of Unamerican Activities prominent in the McCarthy era for hunting down and imprisoning the ideologically-incorrect.
Sounds like skyring who was trying to argue that australia is a republic (ok that wasn't really the problem the problem was he was harrasing other users which is unhelpful).

The article misses the "it's only 4 years old" line of defence.

As to the problem with article quality. Yes it exists no question. The article suggests a more top down management to encourage experts. This is completely inpractible since we just don't have the rescources.

I tend to feel that the problem should be self limiting. Grow rates will slow down bring us to the point where the core users can start to sort things out rather than the current situation where they are just trying to prevent the whole thing falling over.

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Re: Wikipedia founder admits to serious quality problems

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Oct 20, 2005 1:32 am

My own opinion of Wikipedia: For a quick run down of something non-controversial, pretty good. As a bibliographic jumping off place of same, excellent.

For something controversial fuggeddaboutit!

But even otherwise, the ideal of ever more perfection is elusive. There's more of a regression to the mean IMO.

But then I'm one of the disgruntled ones. My anonymous corrections to the history of the Staten Island Ferry were not handled well.

Maybe I didn't approach the "cabal" :P correctly?
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Post by Geni » Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:17 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:My own opinion of Wikipedia: For a quick run down of something non-controversial, pretty good. As a bibliographic jumping off place of same, excellent.

For something controversial fuggeddaboutit!

But even otherwise, the ideal of ever more perfection is elusive. There's more of a regression to the mean IMO.

But then I'm one of the disgruntled ones. My anonymous corrections to the history of the Staten Island Ferry were not handled well.

Maybe I didn't approach the "cabal" :P correctly?
Did you bring a bottle? Looking at the history of the article I can't see anyone who would commonly be accused of being part of the cabul editing it. The only recent anon editing the history secontion (yesterday) appears to have wipped large amounts of article content when they made there additions. They also ran into User:SPUI which is unfortunet.

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:49 am

I kid speaking of the cabal. :P

You're too hard to edit correctly, though.

No I don't have any ideas how to fix this.
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Post by Geni » Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:02 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:I kid speaking of the cabal. :P
It's a long standing acusation. Not sure if I'm a member though (my name did once tern up on a list of admins who are not cabal members which was mildly amuseing)
You're too hard to edit correctly, though.

No I don't have any ideas how to fix this.
Time. As I said far too high a percentage of our people who really know how things work are tied up with trying to prevent the whole thing falling over completely. Most people figure out how the interface works after messing around in the sandbox it a bit so it isn't our main worry right now.

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:41 am

Geni: Fair enough.

Are you sure you're not a member of the cabal? There's a certain amount of "juice" to be had by being directly in contact of a member, you know. :P :D
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Post by DrMatt » Tue Oct 25, 2005 4:29 pm

A scholarly article on the musical phenomenon of serialism has intermittently been hijacked by a guy called Newberry who uses deliberate misniformation on the topic to editorialize against "modernism" of 50 years ago and all of academia, and to advertise his own lousy music. I stay out of it.
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:42 am

Follow up from The Register.

Interview in with Britannica spokesman and various letters to the editor.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10/27 ... and_linux/
And Bryn Jones adds -

"My personal view of Wikipedia is that it's a great reference tool for forum trolls. In fact I think it should be renamed 'Forumtroll.org'. Anybody who uses it for anything else (besides maybe winning an argument - which google can do too) is asking for trouble."
Forum trolls. That's us. :P :D





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Post by DrMatt » Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:27 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Follow up from The Register.

Interview in with Britannica spokesman and various letters to the editor.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10/27 ... and_linux/
And Bryn Jones adds -

"My personal view of Wikipedia is that it's a great reference tool for forum trolls. In fact I think it should be renamed 'Forumtroll.org'. Anybody who uses it for anything else (besides maybe winning an argument - which google can do too) is asking for trouble."
Forum trolls. That's us. :P :D





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Heh. That's exactly how Newberry uses it.
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Post by En folkefiende » Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:21 pm

Wikipedia - The Bastion of relativism.

Seriously, I haven't had a serious run-in with any one there, but I did ping a couple of people about one audio article I read, and basically got told to shut my face.

I used one of my yahoo addresses, which may or may not have mattered.

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:15 am

More Wikipedia funnies.

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Re: Wikipedia founder admits to serious quality problems

Post by Anaxagoras » Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:26 am

Wow. Cool story.

Next someone's going to say the story of George Washington and the cherry tree is apocryphal.

I never heard that story about Staten Island before.
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:11 pm

I actually learned in elementary school (in NYC of course).
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