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My 14-year old daughter is interested in learning about film noir. I've suggested she watch The Maltese Falcon, but frankly, I'm stumped as to other titles. Any suggestions?

Could be movies, could be books that inspired movies. Any and all help will be appreciated.
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Here's a good site with some movies listed. One of my favorites is Key Largo.

http://www.filmsite.org/filmnoir.html

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Somebody call my name?

Casablanca. Sure it is a war story, but it is still noir. Especially the ending.

Chinatown. No I am not kidding. Took a film class in school and this is what the prof. used for his example of film noir. It does fit the genre quite well. Not very kid friendly.

Some people think Citizen Kane counts as noir. Sort of, but there is a lot more going on there.

L.A. Confidential. Very much noir. Not good for kids at all. Very adult.

A good chunk of private eye stories from the 40’s are within the genre.
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Thanks much. Though I'd said I was stumped, I did think of Citizen Kane. Casablanca would be a good one, and I also thought of Cape Fear. My daughter suggested LA Confidential, and I'd love to watch it with her, because I think it's absolutely fantastic, but she's a bit young for it. I have let her watch some R rated movies, notably Run Lola Run and Excalibur, but I admit my system is somewhat on a case by case basis.

The other problem is movie stores don't tend to rent this sort of thing. I'll have to choose wisely and buy what I want.

Again, thanks to both of you for your help.
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Nigel wrote:My 14-year old daughter is interested in learning about film noir. I've suggested she watch The Maltese Falcon, but frankly, I'm stumped as to other titles. Any suggestions?

Could be movies, could be books that inspired movies. Any and all help will be appreciated.
Have you put film noir into Google?

Would "Wings of Desire" be film noir? I think so. (It's one of my absoLUTE favorites of all time. Have you ever seen it?

Hollywood redid it and cast Nicholas Cage and Meg Ryan and called it "City of Angels.". :roll:
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tamiO wrote:
Nigel wrote:My 14-year old daughter is interested in learning about film noir. I've suggested she watch The Maltese Falcon, but frankly, I'm stumped as to other titles. Any suggestions?

Could be movies, could be books that inspired movies. Any and all help will be appreciated.
Have you put film noir into Google?
I did that before I asked on here. Part of the reason I asked here was simply to get people's opinions and suggestions. But thanks.
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Nigel wrote:
tamiO wrote:
Nigel wrote:My 14-year old daughter is interested in learning about film noir. I've suggested she watch The Maltese Falcon, but frankly, I'm stumped as to other titles. Any suggestions?

Could be movies, could be books that inspired movies. Any and all help will be appreciated.
Have you put film noir into Google?
I did that before I asked on here. Part of the reason I asked here was simply to get people's opinions and suggestions. But thanks.


The first selection at Google was full of suggestions that brought back memories. I figured looking at pages google suggested would help you remember some, too.

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How about more Bogey with "The Big Sleep"? William Faulkner wrote the screenplay, but I once heard a story that Bogey took one look at it, turned to Howard Hawkes, and asked "You expect me to say all this?" Hawkes ended up rewriting most of it.

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This will seem odd, but the sci fi movie Dark City is an example. The DVD commentary by Ebert basically points out all the typical film noir elements in this movie, and it might hold a 14 year old's attention better.

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lofgeornost wrote:How about more Bogey with "The Big Sleep"? William Faulkner wrote the screenplay, but I once heard a story that Bogey took one look at it, turned to Howard Hawkes, and asked "You expect me to say all this?" Hawkes ended up rewriting most of it.
I considered the Big Sleep after I went to bed. (No pun intended, or is there?)
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For books that are noir-ish, Raymond Chandler is great.

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Guy Noir wrote:Somebody call my name?

Casablanca. Sure it is a war story, but it is still noir. Especially the ending.

Chinatown. No I am not kidding. Took a film class in school and this is what the prof. used for his example of film noir. It does fit the genre quite well. Not very kid friendly.

Some people think Citizen Kane counts as noir. Sort of, but there is a lot more going on there.

L.A. Confidential. Very much noir. Not good for kids at all. Very adult.

A good chunk of private eye stories from the 40’s are within the genre.
Whoever said that Citizen Kane is film noir needs a jigsaw puzzle rammed up their butt and plugged with a sled.

Don't waste your time finding film noir that's kid-friendly. Good film noir is not meant to be kid-friendly. Ideally, it should involve:

Sudden, violent death
Corrupt higher-ups (ideally politicians, but reputable business figures will do in a pinch)
Porn
a Femme Fatale
edit Oh, and a filthy city setting

Blade Runner is my favourite film noir. :D
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tamiO wrote:
Nigel wrote:My 14-year old daughter is interested in learning about film noir. I've suggested she watch The Maltese Falcon, but frankly, I'm stumped as to other titles. Any suggestions?

Could be movies, could be books that inspired movies. Any and all help will be appreciated.
Have you put film noir into Google?

Would "Wings of Desire" be film noir? I think so. (It's one of my absoLUTE favorites of all time. Have you ever seen it?
While WoD is a damn good flick, I wouldn't call it 'film noir'. It's more of an existentialist drama. Nick Cave rocks in that.
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Mr Manifesto wrote:
tamiO wrote:
Nigel wrote:My 14-year old daughter is interested in learning about film noir. I've suggested she watch The Maltese Falcon, but frankly, I'm stumped as to other titles. Any suggestions?

Could be movies, could be books that inspired movies. Any and all help will be appreciated.
Have you put film noir into Google?

Would "Wings of Desire" be film noir? I think so. (It's one of my absoLUTE favorites of all time. Have you ever seen it?
While WoD is a damn good flick, I wouldn't call it 'film noir'. It's more of an existentialist drama. Nick Cave rocks in that.
OK. I agree, it's not really film noir. BUT... it does use many of the same elements that inspired the genre. Low budget inspired the black and white, the urban setting is bleak and we even have the self-analysing voice-over by the moody male lead.

I taped it off a movie channel last week. Our copy had been loaned out and it disappeared a few years ago. I have been hoping they will create a DVD. Thanks for the chance to talk about it some more. ;)

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I am surprised no one has mentioned Touch of Evil yet.

A good example of film noir, I think. Though Charleton Heston just plain DOES NOT make a convincing Mexican.

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wikipedia has a decent list to help jog memories. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_noirs

Blade Runner ! I am surprised this group didn't think of that one. ;)
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Check above, Mr. Manifesto mentions it.

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Lisa Simpson wrote:Check above, Mr. Manifesto mentions it.
Perhaps it's the lack of cofee, but I'm still not seeing it.

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Mr Manifesto wrote:


Blade Runner is my favourite film noir. :D
Several posts up. I've already had my coffee. :D

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Lisa Simpson wrote:Check above, Mr. Manifesto mentions it.
Bastard. That's twice he has made me a fool in this thread. :x