Am I a barbarian, or is this stuff junk?

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Am I a barbarian, or is this stuff junk?

Shemp is a barbarian. His walls are covered with velvet Elvises and dogs playing poker.
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Shemp is right. The are a lot of crazy rich people who are fooled by junk.
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Planet X is a work of art in itself!
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Child art prodigy wows New York
A four-year-old girl is wowing the New York art world with paintings that are drawing comparisons with Jackson Pollock and Wassily Kandinsky.

Marla Olmstead, from Binghamton, in New York state, has been painting since just before she was two years old.

Using brushes, spatulas, her fingers and even ketchup bottles, she is creating canvases of six by six foot.

The prodigy has already sold about 25 paintings, raising $40,000 (£22,000) and a new exhibition opens on Friday.
When I look at these paintings, I see the scribblings of a child. But they're selling for thousands of dollars! Am I a barbarian? Or are there a lot of crazy effete fruitcakes out there who will pay a lot of money for pretentious junk?
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Colorful junk.

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It's junk AND you are a barbarian.....

Maybe it's just me, but I don't get most of what passes for art today. Michealangelo, Da Vinci, Van Gogh, Monet.....that stuff I get. Later than that you get stuff like this junk and I fail to see the appeal.

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It's nice to look at, but no way would I spend money on those things.
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Modern art is fucking stupid. It's not art unless it looks like something. Those are pictures of nothing. Read a comic book if you want art. Or better yet, by a Frazetta book and look at barbarian art.
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I like the bottom one, but I can make my own by randomly spilling paint on a canvas. I won't be buying any. 8) Edited to add: What the hell?! Anyone want to buy my crayon drawings I did when I was five? Bids start at $5000.
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You know, PT Barnum may not have really said, "There's a sucker born every minute," but he should have.

I am glad that her parents are getting money for these paintings though, maybe it will allow them to send their little 4 year old prodigy to college without bankrupting themselves to do it.

I wish I had the ability to sell my children's artwork, I would in a flash, and they have done some stuff that I thought was incredible. :D
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Hmmm. I like those paintings. Not $40,000 like, thought.

But you arer right, there are a lot of fruitcakes in modern art . But those paintings aren't bad.
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RedShift wrote:Hmmm. I like those paintings. Not $40,000 like, thought.

But you arer right, there are a lot of fruitcakes in modern art . But those paintings aren't bad.
No, there are not bad. They are colorful, and I have seen numerous pre-schoolers paint very similar pictures. Right down to the finger painting with the scribble of marker over it.

I actually liked the last painting, myself. I think I will go purchase a canvas, some paint and see if one of my children can produce one equally pleasing.
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[quote="Chanileslie"]

No, there are not bad. They are colorful, and I have seen numerous pre-schoolers paint very similar pictures. Right down to the finger painting with the scribble of marker over it.
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I think they are better than the average pre school fingerpainting. Anyway, they have no inherent worth, only that conferred u[pon them by what someone is willing to pay.

So are they worth $40,000? They are now.


Reminds me of when the Australian Govt bought Jackson Pollock's Blue Poles back in 73. Caused outrage, called a waste of money. There's a famous picture of a newspaper front page from the time with the screaming headline "It Was Painted By A Drunk!" And now it is worth many many times what we paid for it and is one of the most internationaly signifcant piece in any of our galleries.
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I've never been one for abstract art, partially because of the thoughts expressed in this thread - a kid could do it, but really, is that the point of art? Doesn't art make you feel something? But then again, it's easy to get pretentious - wasn't it in 'Play it Again Sam' that Woody Allen goes to the art museum to pick up a girl, and he talks to one in front of a painting. (Memory here) "What does it say to you?" he asks. She says in a monotone, "It symbolizes man's incomprehensibly lonely place in the vast unlimited cosmos." "What are you doing Saturday night?" "Committing suicide."

In a downtown mall near my work, there's an art gallery, and I occasionally see abstract or near abstract paintings - mostly sunset sort of things, rather than silly string shot onto a canvas. But if it makes me feel something, then to me it's art. That's not the only definition, but it's one.
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Nigel wrote:But if it makes me feel something, then to me it's art. That's not the only definition, but it's one.
If you can't see a nipple, it's art.
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RedShift wrote:
Nigel wrote:But if it makes me feel something, then to me it's art. That's not the only definition, but it's one.
If you can't see a nipple, it's art.
But only if the nipple is draped by a cloth. (But what if you still know the nipple is there?)
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Those paintings are pretty in their own way. It's the kids parents who are the artists. Abstract is 99% line of shit and 1% painting.
Shit on a newspaper and convince a bunch of people that it's about the war in Bosnia...ta da!. Art!
The person who sells the line of shit is the artist.
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These paintnigs have me confused.

I'm a barbarian, but I find them nice to look at. They seem, to my uneducated eye, to have nice balance, form and colour, even though they're not pictures of anything. I like these paintings the most of any "modern art" I've seen.

What I wonder is what makes them worth $40k? I mean, the kid is 4, and so isn't representing some great human emotional thing, or societal struggle, or whatever crap the "critics" attribute to "works". Why are they "art" rather than just some nice paintings?
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But only if the nipple is draped by a cloth.
That's art.

(But what if you still know the nipple is there?)

That's porn.
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Badger wrote:
What I wonder is what makes them worth $40k?
/cynical conjecture
How would the status of a member of the art community, who owns one of these paintings, change if this kids parents parley this into their kid growing up to be a recognized artist? "She started when she was two!" "I started when I was two!"
Even now the buyers can whack each other off about how they saw the genius. Or how this makes a statement about art. Or, hey, I paid 40K for this and I'm in a posistion to tell you it's good or important.

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RedShift wrote:
Chanileslie wrote:
No, there are not bad. They are colorful, and I have seen numerous pre-schoolers paint very similar pictures. Right down to the finger painting with the scribble of marker over it.
I think they are better than the average pre school fingerpainting. Anyway, they have no inherent worth, only that conferred u[pon them by what someone is willing to pay.
Um, not really, better than some pre-school fingerpainting, but not better than the average other than it is obvious that her medium is much better quality than contruction paper and finger paints that the average pre-schooler has access to. Especially that brown one that looks as if ketchup has been sprayed on it. I see that one nearly anytime we have anything with ketchup, of course, usually the background is white with flowers because that is the pattern on my dinner ware.
RedShift wrote:So are they worth $40,000? They are now.
Only to the inane and gullible who obviously have more money than brains, but alas that is true for so many things, not just art. <sigh> To me, they are worthless.

On the other hand, if one can get $40,000 for their kids paintings, by all means, go for it!
RedShift wrote:Reminds me of when the Australian Govt bought Jackson Pollock's Blue Poles back in 73. Caused outrage, called a waste of money. There's a famous picture of a newspaper front page from the time with the screaming headline "It Was Painted By A Drunk!" And now it is worth many many times what we paid for it and is one of the most internationaly signifcant piece in any of our galleries.
People will often times spend exorbitant amounts of money on things that have no intrinsic value. I worked for a plumbing company that was located in a very wealthy area, and so many of these people would have gold plumbing fixtures and persian rugs in their bathrooms. Why gold? It isn't as durable or as practical as polished brass and it is more than 100x the cost, although if a polished brass fixture were set next to a gold fixture, one wouldn't be able to tell them apart. It is insane. I hated those people because they were the ones that would call whenever their toilet overflowed screaming about it ruining the persian rug or their gold faucet! My answer was simple, remove the persian rug from the room, and the gold faucet that cost $50,000 for will survive a bit of sewage. People are insane, and that is my only answer to that.
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I know a guy who in the 1980s openly and vocally aspired to sell his excrement in cans as ojects d'art--a gig successfully operated in 1961 by one Piero Manzoni according to some sources I've seen.

Instead, he became a composer of excellent Broadway-style songs, and the manager of a gamelan.

See how hard it is for artists to stick to the straight-and-narrow?
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