corplinx wrote:The manga took the old old idea of the love triangle and made it work better than yet another harem manga.
Guts wants Casca
Casca wants Griffith
Griffith wants Guts.
I utterly agree with that. Nice set up. What is clearer, I think, in the manga
since it could take "more time" than the anime
, is how jealous Griffith becomes of Guts. So when Guts finally beats him he does something completely stupid but understandable since he feels emasculated. The result after a year is he is basically emasculated but when he is rescued he constantly stares at Guts and Casca in literal impotent silence. Incidentally, I spewed some coffee in the manga
after Guts and Casca finally Dance the Light Fantastic, she jumps on her horse, winces, then "near-chibi" stares at him thinking "You're lucky!"
Anyways, thus probably one of the most pathetic scenes in both the manga
where he tries to take Casca. For years, he just has to raise his eyebrows and Casca would have dropped her chain mail panties and asked him how he likes his eggs in the morning. This, utterly broken, is even more sad than when he tried to strangle Guts. Her hugging him is like the final insult.
Thus, of course, what he does to her later. He does it to prove his own virility and to punish Guts. He does not give a shit about Casca other than I would give a shit about some trash you stole BECAUSE IT'S MINE!!!
What I like is he is the Pretty Boy Hero who becomes what he really is: a selfish child villain, but it gives some explanation for it.
Guts can't even think about Griffith wanting him that way because of his PTSD. If Griffith splashes water on him, it is completely asexual to Guts.
I would agree with all of that too. In the manga
he is more explicit--they show it more in the 2012 Revamp--where as part of their duel if he loses he sarcastically states he would even be Griffith's boy. Griffith, I think, struggles with it. Or he may be bi, but we never see him take sexual advantage of anyone until he goes after the princess. Being So Beloved by Casca and Men and Boys [Available for download from a site in Russia.--Ed.], you would think he might had "done it" with one of them, BUT I think, like Guts, he was fixated on a goal. The princess, of course, becomes part of that. When Guts leaves him, he lashes out like a teenager.
Blah . . . blah . . . blah . . . I think it is clear he loves Guts, now hates him as a scorned lover, and what he did to Casca was simply to punish Guts. Even his feeble attempt I mention earlier was more of a case, I think, of him trying to take Guts' "toy" when it had been his. He never cared for Casca. Now he does care because Guts does. As to whether or not Griffith knows
he loves Guts, I think he dispenses it knowing he has to "marry the princess" to get in line for the throne. In his mind, I think, he probably thinks that will happen, he will sire "An Heir and a Spare," then spend all of his time in battle with Guts . . . splashing water on him . . . while he is naked . . . crossing swords . . . but not gay.
What he knows of homosexuality doesn't involve flirting or play. So he won't think of even the idea of it unless it is triggered by something more violent than a bath.
And he clearly hated it. He is also clearly clueless on love--not a priority. The 2012 delves into it--and since you read the manga
you probably know--that both he and Casca were virgins and they sort of "work it out." Then they try again. It is actually kind of nice.
What makes this interesting post golden age is that Guts is a man-child and not in the StarWars and toys kind of way. Stunted emotionally. He is basically a 15 year old in a grown ups' body. He is straight but extremely awkward. He's a testosterone filled teenager with no tact, little intellect, and PTSD.
Again I completely agree. Like you wrote about the "harem set-up/love triangle" Guts--what a name--is set up like the Wandering God Hero Man we see in too many stories. His sword is so big Inuyasha figures he has "issues." Then it shows how he became that and how he went from a normal boy looking for a father figure, getting literally fucked, then trying to avoid all human attachment. I think the early scenes where he visions the dead . . . What's His Name Father Figure . . . he is trying to convince himself that *Google* Gambino actually cared for him. Gambino never did. Ever. Guts does not want to accept it, just as he tried not to believe Gambino literally rented out his ass.
Which makes me think, having written that, one of the true "tragedies" he faces is Julius did
love his son. He was being "tough" on him as Guts imagined Gambino was "just being tough" on him. But that was not the case.
So his treatment of Casca fits perfectly with those things. It's painful to watch or read and it is supposed to be. He's a broken thing because of his past and she's a broken thing because of the Golden Age.
It is a good example of being "too late." Casca finally realizes she has been running from her own sexuality--nearly being raped as a very young teen might do that--by fixating on Griffith who clearly does not want her. But it is an idea. A "Notice Me Sempai
!" in a way. Hence yet another reason for her to hate Guts because Griffith "wants" him for many reasons. He even values Guts as a fighter over her.
Then . . . just as Guts starts to value other people as people, then starts to value and admire Casca, she does the same.
But it is too late.
What I wonder is, what happens if Casca gets fixed?
Who knows! "This will not end happily," as J
G.R.R. Martin quipped. But he is a Jets fan so he is use to ball crushing disappointment. Did I mention a Super Bowl yet?
But . . . yeah . . . I think we see how it will not
work when Griffith has a vision of a "future" where Casca is his wife, he has a son--named Guts! . . . well . . . at least his torturer was not Ramsey Bolton!--but he is still an invalid whom Casca has to feed and look after.
It's not for you, Uther! Hearth and home. Mother and child.
So, no, I do not see Guts and Casca "settling down."
Oddly enough, the Irritating Fluffy Haired Nina and Wet Pants Joachim probably provided the best answer at the end of the 2016 season. They are both weak. They do care, but they are weak. Maybe they can lean on one another and survive. As fatuous as Nina is she recognizes something Griffith never could: she knows if she stays with her friends she will become jealous of them and become the duplicitous bitch she has been. She has to leave.
Berserk is not a happy tale.
It did warm my Atheist heart. Incidentally, I very much liked what they did with what SHOULD have been a Stereotype Character Farnessesfernessederkurt. What a nice collection of personality disorders. Fundamentalist, sado-masochist, "daddy issues," all of it. Very nicely done. Even Guts is taken aback over her self-flagellation.
To a point:
To which, after composing most of this, I watched the second episode of 2017 and saw the back-story of Lady Farnessesferngullyderkunesseness and Her Boy Toy.
Anyways, thanks for the recommendation.