Arthur C. Clarke sucks, there, I said it

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Just reread 3001: Milking Space Odessey.

It had been a while since I read Clarke, maybe decades, and he has not aged well. He has a thinness to his writing that I can't describe adequately, like one of those horrid "books" written for young readers. Books that have pages, maybe a hundred or more, and use English and have a vocabulary at 8th grade level, but have the depth of a comic book.

And there is his stupid smugness. "He was bald like everyone else of this time, having eliminated the need for the silly concept of 'Hair'". Know what I mean? He injects his dumb prognostications as being "everyday" in the future and then offers a gratuitous, superior, commentary. "The 21st century was known as the age of torture". Oh fuck off Arthur.

This book particularly sucked. He should have just ended it with the word "Sucker". Take your fucking "Ebon monoliths with the ubiquitous ratio of ............................ 1 4 7" and shove them in a place darker than their uninterrupted, perfect surface, that seems to absorb light.

Limey bastard.
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His string of 2001 sequels sucked, as did Asimov's later robot / Foundation mash up.

Sometimes a guy just needs a gig, you know.

OTOH, ever read the short story Superiority about how the Earth loses the interstellar war because of our technological superiority? :coolspecs:
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I enjoyed The Deep Range.

Dolphin riding "cowboys" herding whales. Annoying preachy ending, but on the whole did not suck.
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And of course 2001 (the book) really was a classic.

And the movie was one of the few that really deserved Cinerama.
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It was probably partially ghosted by someone. He was in really poor health his last ten years. Yea, it sucked.

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This is the Arthur C. Clarke sucks thread. Please stay on topic.
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Abdul Alhazred wrote:His string of 2001 sequels sucked, as did Asimov's later robot / Foundation mash up.
I couldn't disagree more about Asimov--I think that series increased in quality as later installments were added, to the point where the very last ("Forward the Foundation") was my favorite.
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ed wrote:This is the Arthur C. Clarke sucks thread. Please stay on topic.
Report me. Go on, try it.
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gnome wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:His string of 2001 sequels sucked, as did Asimov's later robot / Foundation mash up.
I couldn't disagree more about Asimov--I think that series increased in quality as later installments were added, to the point where the very last ("Forward the Foundation") was my favorite.
I stopped with the one where it is revealed our old buddy R. Daneel was keeping the Seldon Plan on track all along.

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And the bit where they are looking for Earth but nobody knows where it is?

I mean really. A top notcher like Asimov totally copying E.C. Tubbs? It made me cringe.
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Both from the same book, "Foundation and Earth"

See, I loved that one, because of revisiting worlds significant to the "Robot" series, centuries later. I was on the edge of my seat for most of that.

Daneel wasn't keeping things on the Seldon track--he was playing a bigger game, if you recall. I didn't mind.

Also, having forgotten the homeworld location was established in "Foundation" written decades before. When was Tubbs?
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Last time I read a Clarke book was in high school. Found him a bit of a slog and I have always loved hard sci fi. Just something about his writing style made him hard for me want to keep reading

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Forgetting Earth isn't the point, lots of science fiction had that at least implicitly.

It's the sub-plot of looking for it.

And trying to tie in End of Eternity as a "legend"? Lame.

After 500 or so successful books Asimov stopped trying and cashed in. Can't really blame him, but his late period where he tried to tie all his old stuff together really really sucked.

It sucked almost as much as the 2001 sequels. OK ed back on track. :)
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Nyarlathotep wrote:Last time I read a Clarke book was in high school. Found him a bit of a slog and I have always loved hard sci fi. Just something about his writing style made him hard for me want to keep reading
I agree. Lofty concepts, but the prose could not keep my attention easily, with the occasional gem of a story.

Some of it made excellent screen adaptations. Like how the Twilight Zone did "Star".... at least I think it was TZ.
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Abdul Alhazred wrote:Forgetting Earth isn't the point, lots of science fiction had that at least implicitly.

It's the sub-plot of looking for it.

And trying to tie in End of Eternity as a "legend"? Lame.
Some throwaway lines easily ignored. It's not like it was a plot tumor.
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gnome wrote:Both from the same book, "Foundation and Earth"

See, I loved that one, because of revisiting worlds significant to the "Robot" series, centuries later. I was on the edge of my seat for most of that.

Daneel wasn't keeping things on the Seldon track--he was playing a bigger game, if you recall. I didn't mind.

Also, having forgotten the homeworld location was established in "Foundation" written decades before. When was Tubbs?
Why the fuck are you talking about Asimov? This is a "I love Clarke" thread. fag

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Aw heck let's change the subject.

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Reported.
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