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And he's an asshole.
Here's how a gentleman handles victory:
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"I fucked your mother last night kid. Now that I'm done fucking you, I'm going to go fuck her again."
Sure you can. Saban (and Bear Bryant and many others who followed him, like Bill Curry and Gene Stallings) grooms his players to behave like good sports and gentlemen. He doesn't allow showboating or trash talking, and when his players very occasionally do it, as star running back T.J. Yeldon did on Saturday, the cameras invariably follow Coach Saban on the sidelines to watch him chew them a new asshole for doing so. He doesn't put up with that shit and spends a great deal of time explaining to all his players that that's not what Alabama football is about. It's about The Process, the Whole Person, and playing smart, head-in-the-game, do-your-job fundamental football, 60 minutes at a time, and being a good sport and a gentleman while doing it. None of those things are mutually exclusive.Grammatron wrote:CH, you can't compared a kid in college with an adult.
Nice speech, Knute, but you may want to take it easy on the Kool Aid.Cool Hand wrote:It's about The Process, the Whole Person, and playing smart, head-in-the-game, do-your-job fundamental football, 60 minutes at a time, and being a good sport and a gentleman while doing it.
You don't much about Nick Saban, do you? All of those phrases are ones he repeats throughout the week and especially on Saturdays in post-game interviews to the press. You can tell he drills those ideas into his coaching staff and players' heads constantly, because his players have to restrain themselves in post-game interviews. Instead of answering some softball question a reporter asks about what they were thinking when they made that incredible interception or broke 5 tackles to score a touchdown or whatever, they always answer with some variation of "I was thinking how great this team is and how lucky I am to be a part of it, because the credit really goes to my teammates, our incredible coaching staff, and our wonderful fans."punchdrunk wrote:Nice speech, Knute, but you may want to take it easy on the Kool Aid.Cool Hand wrote:It's about The Process, the Whole Person, and playing smart, head-in-the-game, do-your-job fundamental football, 60 minutes at a time, and being a good sport and a gentleman while doing it.
Sounds kinda like they used to praise St. Paterno doesn't it?punchdrunk wrote:Nice speech, Knute, but you may want to take it easy on the Kool Aid.Cool Hand wrote:It's about The Process, the Whole Person, and playing smart, head-in-the-game, do-your-job fundamental football, 60 minutes at a time, and being a good sport and a gentleman while doing it.
That's a pretty cheap shot.Anaxagoras wrote:Sounds kinda like they used to praise St. Paterno doesn't it?punchdrunk wrote:Nice speech, Knute, but you may want to take it easy on the Kool Aid.Cool Hand wrote:It's about The Process, the Whole Person, and playing smart, head-in-the-game, do-your-job fundamental football, 60 minutes at a time, and being a good sport and a gentleman while doing it.
Is there a statue of coach Saban on the campus square yet?
CHSaban has long been recognized as having a first-rate football mind. New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick -- himself the winner of a few championships -- hired Saban as his defensive coordinator when Belichick coached the Cleveland Browns in the early 1990s. He pays Saban the ultimate compliment: He copies him. "We talk on a pretty regular basis," says Belichick. "If I ask Nick a question and he says, 'Well, this is how we do it,' then I usually just cut to where he is and take that shortcut and say, 'Okay, we're going to do it this way.' I know that he's already gone through all the stages of thinking it through, and I would rather just get to the stage that he's at rather than waste the time figuring that I'm going to end up at that same point anyway."
Drinking what Kool Aid? I don't get that comment. I'm not claiming Nick Saban is god. I'm noting that Nick Saban is a gracious winner and a very driven coach and recruiter, and that he takes great care to mold his players into good citizens first. According to his philosophy, good football follows that. In that regard, he is very much following in Bear Bryant's shoes, and that is pretty close to what Bryant demanded of his players. He set the standard with regard to Alabama football being a team effort, not a showcase for breakout stars to brag or boast and for success to be attributed to team effort, not individual heroics. That tradition has continued for 55 years. It's a good tradition, in my book, and perfectly in keeping with good sportsmanship.Grammatron wrote:CH, I think you are indeed drinking the Kool Aid and at the same time hating on Manziel a bit much. Sure he is cocky and may have stepped over a line, but fuck man, what's the point of being that good and playing college football if you can't strut around a bit.
You're right. I sorry. I didn't mean to imply that he is guilty in any way of the same things as Paterno. It's just about the way that some football coaches are practically deified by their fans. In Paterno's case someone even painted a mural of him with a halo, like he was some kind of saint. And there were plenty of fawning profiles about him in the press too.Cool Hand wrote: That's a pretty cheap shot.
It sounds like he is very good at his job. Again, I didn't mean to cast aspersions about his character.Anyway, his record and results speak for themselves. He is an extremely driven and disciplined man, and his talents and skills happen to be focused on college football. He would likely be extraordinarily successful in many other careers or occupations.
If you really are interested, there was this terrific piece in Fortune magazine about this time last year written by a guy who spent a part of a couple of days with him, but I've lost the link to the original. You'll have to make do with the reprint available at CNN Money:
http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/07/news/co ... index.html
You might note that even Bill Belichick takes advice from Nick Saban.
CHSaban has long been recognized as having a first-rate football mind. New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick -- himself the winner of a few championships -- hired Saban as his defensive coordinator when Belichick coached the Cleveland Browns in the early 1990s. He pays Saban the ultimate compliment: He copies him. "We talk on a pretty regular basis," says Belichick. "If I ask Nick a question and he says, 'Well, this is how we do it,' then I usually just cut to where he is and take that shortcut and say, 'Okay, we're going to do it this way.' I know that he's already gone through all the stages of thinking it through, and I would rather just get to the stage that he's at rather than waste the time figuring that I'm going to end up at that same point anyway."
Your college team sucks, eh?ed wrote:Football is elementally stupid. People that follow it are stupid. It is destroying the moral fabric of our country and should be outlawed. Football players should be forced to get real jobs like selling insurance door to door.
No, just happy to see him get his comeuppance. The guy is slippery as hell in the pocket, but Auburn's defense sacked him twice. Them's good eatin'.Grammatron wrote:You sure told him?
Comeuppances for what?Cool Hand wrote:No, just happy to see him get his comeuppance. The guy is slippery as hell in the pocket, but Auburn's defense sacked him twice. Them's good eatin'.Grammatron wrote:You sure told him?
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He's a dick, or haven't you heard or read any talk about him as a person? He's sort of the modern day version of Broadway Joe, only with any of the charm or charisma.Grammatron wrote:Comeuppances for what?Cool Hand wrote:No, just happy to see him get his comeuppance. The guy is slippery as hell in the pocket, but Auburn's defense sacked him twice. Them's good eatin'.Grammatron wrote:You sure told him?
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That sums up most college athletes in Division I.Cool Hand wrote:He's a dick, or haven't you heard or read any talk about him as a person? He's sort of the modern day version of Broadway Joe, only with any of the charm or charisma.Grammatron wrote:Comeuppances for what?Cool Hand wrote:No, just happy to see him get his comeuppance. The guy is slippery as hell in the pocket, but Auburn's defense sacked him twice. Them's good eatin'.Grammatron wrote:You sure told him?
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Do you follow college football? If you do, then you should recognize that my reaction to him is mild at best in comparison to most fans around here. College football in these parts is serious business. You may think I'm suggesting that in jest, but I'm not. It's not for nothing that Nick Saban is paid more than $5 mil a year, not to mention his endorsements for Ford, etc.Grammatron wrote:That sums up most college athletes in Division I.Cool Hand wrote:He's a dick, or haven't you heard or read any talk about him as a person? He's sort of the modern day version of Broadway Joe, only with any of the charm or charisma.Grammatron wrote:Comeuppances for what?Cool Hand wrote:No, just happy to see him get his comeuppance. The guy is slippery as hell in the pocket, but Auburn's defense sacked him twice. Them's good eatin'.Grammatron wrote:You sure told him?
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The fact that this dude got under your skin is hilarious.
I follow college football a bit, nothing crazy but I know who top teams are and some match ups. Other than the controversy in the beginning of the season, the news about Johnny has been quiet. There was the autograph thing he mimed to some player, but once again, that was the beginning of the season and I have not seen him doing similar things since. To me it seems you are singling him out because he is not in Alabama and is in fact a threat to Alabama.Cool Hand wrote: Do you follow college football? If you do, then you should recognize that my reaction to him is mild at best in comparison to most fans around here. College football in these parts is serious business. You may think I'm suggesting that in jest, but I'm not. It's not for nothing that Nick Saban is paid more than $5 mil a year, not to mention his endorsements for Ford, etc.
I've actually never been to an NFL game. There are no NFL teams in LA and the few opportunities I had to watch them in near by cities were too inconvenient at the time.
What I find hilarious is the attention paid to NFL games. You should attend your typical Sunday afternoon NFL game and then attend a typical Saturday afternoon big game in the SEC, particularly at Alabama, Auburn, or Georgia. I've been to all three stadiums, and there's nothing like it. A Titans game in Nashville, by comparison, was almost as tepid an event as watching a high school football game around here on a Friday night. Not to mention that the girl watching (including in the stands) at an SEC football game is spectacular.
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I am not trolling, if that's what you are implying. Of all the College Football controversies over the years this is the one that made CH create this post. I just find that amusing.jacks wrote:You need to sharpen your stick grammy , don't seem to be getting the rise your after.
You misunderstand. It's not whatever controversy you are referencing (is it the autographing thing?). It's his cocky hot shit attitude. He's a poor sport because he gloats and boasts. That's what I don't like about the guy. There's nothing more to it than that.Grammatron wrote:I am not trolling, if that's what you are implying. Of all the College Football controversies over the years this is the one that made CH create this post. I just find that amusing.jacks wrote:You need to sharpen your stick grammy , don't seem to be getting the rise your after.
Maybe you have not come across many college level and professional athletes. The cocky, hot-shit, worship me attitude is average (if not overwhelming). Which is why I do not know why you are singling him out. Is it just because he played Alabama and lost?Cool Hand wrote:You misunderstand. It's not whatever controversy you are referencing (is it the autographing thing?). It's his cocky hot shit attitude. He's a poor sport because he gloats and boasts. That's what I don't like about the guy. There's nothing more to it than that.Grammatron wrote:I am not trolling, if that's what you are implying. Of all the College Football controversies over the years this is the one that made CH create this post. I just find that amusing.jacks wrote:You need to sharpen your stick grammy , don't seem to be getting the rise your after.
Compare with Mark Ingram, the running back from Alabama (by way of Michigan) who won the Heisman four years ago. He was awesome on the field and dominated play, but he didn't ever brag or boast, and he always credited his teammates and coaches and the fans in post game interviews. That's a good sport and a gracious winner. The dude cried on national TV when he won the Heisman, and those were genuine tears of joy and humility.
I don't like Johnny Football because he's a dick, nothing more to it than that.
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Ah, you are not familiar with Alabama football then. The players at Alabama are definitely not cut from the cocky, hot-shit, worship me cloth. They are not allowed to behave like that and play at Alabama. Guys that do that get booted or do not play. The head coaches have enforced that code since Bear Bryant took over in 1958. Saban is like that too. He doesn't put up with players' bullshit. He wouldn't have Johnny Football in his program if he behaved like that, even if it cost his a game or three.Grammatron wrote:Maybe you have not come across many college level and professional athletes. The cocky, hot-shit, worship me attitude is average (if not overwhelming). Which is why I do not know why you are singling him out. Is it just because he played Alabama and lost?Cool Hand wrote:You misunderstand. It's not whatever controversy you are referencing (is it the autographing thing?). It's his cocky hot shit attitude. He's a poor sport because he gloats and boasts. That's what I don't like about the guy. There's nothing more to it than that.Grammatron wrote:I am not trolling, if that's what you are implying. Of all the College Football controversies over the years this is the one that made CH create this post. I just find that amusing.jacks wrote:You need to sharpen your stick grammy , don't seem to be getting the rise your after.
Compare with Mark Ingram, the running back from Alabama (by way of Michigan) who won the Heisman four years ago. He was awesome on the field and dominated play, but he didn't ever brag or boast, and he always credited his teammates and coaches and the fans in post game interviews. That's a good sport and a gracious winner. The dude cried on national TV when he won the Heisman, and those were genuine tears of joy and humility.
I don't like Johnny Football because he's a dick, nothing more to it than that.
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It's something that's not really seen here, either. Granted, it's been awhile since OU has won a championship, and the Big 12 as a whole looks like shit this year, but Stoops does not put up with such things from his players, either. Every now and then you hear of a player getting in trouble in Norman (I don't know why a player would think they could get away with ANYTHING in Norman, those cops are the biggest pricks on the face of the planet), and every time those players are dealt with. Recently a player got in trouble and arrested for jacking it in public. Stoops immediately and indefinitely removed him from the program (translation--that player's OU career is done).Cool Hand wrote:Ah, you are not familiar with Alabama football then. The players at Alabama are definitely not cut from the cocky, hot-shit, worship me cloth. They are not allowed to behave like that and play at Alabama. Guys that do that get booted or do not play. The head coaches have enforced that code since Bear Bryant took over in 1958. Saban is like that too. He doesn't put up with players' bullshit. He wouldn't have Johnny Football in his program if he behaved like that, even if it cost his a game or three.Grammatron wrote:Maybe you have not come across many college level and professional athletes. The cocky, hot-shit, worship me attitude is average (if not overwhelming). Which is why I do not know why you are singling him out. Is it just because he played Alabama and lost?Cool Hand wrote:You misunderstand. It's not whatever controversy you are referencing (is it the autographing thing?). It's his cocky hot shit attitude. He's a poor sport because he gloats and boasts. That's what I don't like about the guy. There's nothing more to it than that.Grammatron wrote:I am not trolling, if that's what you are implying. Of all the College Football controversies over the years this is the one that made CH create this post. I just find that amusing.jacks wrote:You need to sharpen your stick grammy , don't seem to be getting the rise your after.
Compare with Mark Ingram, the running back from Alabama (by way of Michigan) who won the Heisman four years ago. He was awesome on the field and dominated play, but he didn't ever brag or boast, and he always credited his teammates and coaches and the fans in post game interviews. That's a good sport and a gracious winner. The dude cried on national TV when he won the Heisman, and those were genuine tears of joy and humility.
I don't like Johnny Football because he's a dick, nothing more to it than that.
CH
At Alabama, it is drilled into their heads every day and twice on Sunday that every play is a team effort. No points for showboating. Play for your teammates. Keep your head in the game because your teammates are counting on you.
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See CH, this is exactly my point. If you honestly think every organization in NFL would pass on him strictly because he said that, you can't possibly be any more wrong. The organization who need a quality position players will overlook everything up to murder allegation. Hanging out with Tiger Woods and Charlie Sheen? Hell, that might be a positive for some recruiters.Cool Hand wrote:Manziel has probably shot his future NFL career in the foot. Dumbass.
On yesterday's Jumbotron at the Texas A&M game, they showed excerpts from an interview with Johnny Manziel in which he reveals he would like to "party" with Charlie Sheen, Tiger Woods, and Rob Gronkowski. So?
So, that's not really smart if you're trying to impress NFL scouts who are looking at you to be a professional quarterback they are paying tens of millions of dollars for. What they likely hear in that statement and attitude is that you care more about being a rock star than a professional football player whose job it is to show up each Sunday afternoon to win games. Think of that in the context of something you might say in a job interview. Think that impresses the interviewer?
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9888636
I repeat. He's an asshole.
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Well, you obviously didn't watch the video in which two former marquis college quarterbacks essentially said the same thing I did.Grammatron wrote:See CH, this is exactly my point. If you honestly think every organization in NFL would pass on him strictly because he said that, you can't possibly be any more wrong. The organization who need a quality position players will overlook everything up to murder allegation. Hanging out with Tiger Woods and Charlie Sheen? Hell, that might be a positive for some recruiters.Cool Hand wrote:Manziel has probably shot his future NFL career in the foot. Dumbass.
On yesterday's Jumbotron at the Texas A&M game, they showed excerpts from an interview with Johnny Manziel in which he reveals he would like to "party" with Charlie Sheen, Tiger Woods, and Rob Gronkowski. So?
So, that's not really smart if you're trying to impress NFL scouts who are looking at you to be a professional quarterback they are paying tens of millions of dollars for. What they likely hear in that statement and attitude is that you care more about being a rock star than a professional football player whose job it is to show up each Sunday afternoon to win games. Think of that in the context of something you might say in a job interview. Think that impresses the interviewer?
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9888636
I repeat. He's an asshole.
CH
No need to, my point would remain the same.Cool Hand wrote:
Well, you obviously didn't watch the video in which two former marquis college quarterbacks essentially said the same thing I did.
Because an NFL team has to win games. St. Louis Rams tried to get Farve to come back to QB the team because the availability of solid QBs is incredibly slim. If Manziel can show that he can play in the NFL system there will be a "bidding war" over him, and most of his short comings and frailties will be overlooked.I'll grant you that maybe there are some NFL scouts that might be willing to overlook his party proclivities, but chances are he's just cost himself millions of dollars in the future. Why? Because at least some of those scouts willing to engage in a bidding war over him are likely turned off by his priorities and are not willing to commit tens of millions of their organization's dollars to a guy who seems less than committed to being a pro QB and more committed to living the life of a rock star.
K.Here's some contrast for some perspective. Take Nick Saban, a man with a Herculean work ethic. When the guy is not coaching, he's out recruiting high school prospects to come play for him. He's also a dad to minor children.
KEarlier last week, Gary Danielson and Vern Lundquist, long time CBS sports broadcasters and former football players, spent some time with Nick in Tuscaloosa before Alabama played (and clobbered) Tennessee this Saturday. They asked Nick about next week's bye week before Alabama plays LSU and how the timing was perfect to allow Nick to go trick or treating with his kids on Thursday night.
His answer? "Sorry, guys, but I'll be on the road recruiting."
That last part (about the height) sounds like petty bullshit and without evidence it makes your points less valid.That's the kind of work ethic that produces a world class football team. It's not magic. It's his dedication and work ethic than wins. Johnny Football is winning at Texas A&M on pure talent and ability right now. He lacks the same work ethic Saban has, and that point is not lost on NFL scouts and general managers. Also, he's lying his ass off about his height, claiming to be 6 feet tall. Bullshit. That guy is maybe 5'9", 5'10" at best, and about 180-185 lbs. He's not big enough for the NFL in 2014.
Maybe, but we will see not too long from now during the NFL draft.You're wrong, again, Grammy.
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I can't disagree with that.Pyrrho wrote:/peanut gallery/
IIRC AFAIK in high school and college sports, nobody likes a hot dog. If a player is talented enough and charismatic enough and has sufficient leadership skills he might be able to get the rest of the team to "play along," so to speak. If he's talented and has charisma but has the leadership skills of a garden slug, he may find himself at the mercy of the opposing team's defensive linemen, because his blockers might decide to educate him about the importance of teamwork by not protecting his hot dog ass.
I haven't watched any Johnny Football in action so I have no idea if he's a hot dog or not. I'm just talking general principles here, Boss.
Dude, that's why I put this link to the video in there. I got the idea from them. They made the point that it showed really bad judgment on Manziel's part to say those things in the first place if he's hoping to have a career in the NFL, and it was incredibly stupid of the PR folks at A&M to allow those quotes to be displayed on the Jumbotron at their own home stadium during a televised home game.Grammatron wrote:No need to, my point would remain the same.Cool Hand wrote:
Well, you obviously didn't watch the video in which two former marquis college quarterbacks essentially said the same thing I did.
Well, that's the whole rub, isn't it? Can he play in the NFL system? With the caliber of athleticism in the NFL today, I contend that you can't be partying with Charlie Sheen on Friday or Saturday night and playing top notch football on Sunday every week. They are mutually incompatible. So the question is really, "Is Manziel serious about committing to playing NFL level football, or does he care more to be like his idol Charlie Tiger Blood Sheen and hang out with supermodels on his arm?"Because an NFL team has to win games. St. Louis Rams tried to get Farve to come back to QB the team because the availability of solid QBs is incredibly slim. If Manziel can show that he can play in the NFL system there will be a "bidding war" over him, and most of his short comings and frailties will be overlooked.
It's not petty bullshit. It's directly relevant to whether or not he can play in the NFL. I'm sure you've noticed the trend among QBs is to be taller and bigger than ever. They have to be these days in order to see over the O-line and defenders to their receivers down field. Also, they need to be big because defensive ends and linemen are fucking huge and will kill little guys, even ones who scramble like nobody's business, as he does.That last part (about the height) sounds like petty bullshit and without evidence it makes your points less valid.
Seriously? You want to use video and photographs of unknown perspective and manipulation as evidence? Disappointing.Cool Hand wrote: Evidence on his height? Watch any televised game and compare him to other players on the field. Also, look at Manziel's head in relation to Nick Saban's head while they are standing next to each other in the pic in the first post. Saban is 5'9" and 170 lbs. There is no fucking way Manziel is taller than him by more than an inch, if that. Manziel is too small to play QB the NFL. Is that being petty about his character? Hell no. It has nothing to do with it. It does have everything to do with his prospects as a QB in the NFL, however, which is the context in which I brought it up. I didn't do it to be petty; I did it because it is relevant to whether he has a future in the NFL. Obviously he recognized its relevance too, or he wouldn't be lying about his height. He claims to be 6 feet tall. Again, look at the photo with 5'9" Saban and tell me with a straight face that Manziel is 3 inches taller than him.
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He is getting all this attention (the same that he got last year, Grammy) because he is so fucking good on the field. I've watched world class college football all my life, and I've never seen anyone as quick as him or with the kind of sixth sense about how to break tackles and know everything that is going on down field.Grammatron wrote:I can't disagree with that.Pyrrho wrote:/peanut gallery/
IIRC AFAIK in high school and college sports, nobody likes a hot dog. If a player is talented enough and charismatic enough and has sufficient leadership skills he might be able to get the rest of the team to "play along," so to speak. If he's talented and has charisma but has the leadership skills of a garden slug, he may find himself at the mercy of the opposing team's defensive linemen, because his blockers might decide to educate him about the importance of teamwork by not protecting his hot dog ass.
I haven't watched any Johnny Football in action so I have no idea if he's a hot dog or not. I'm just talking general principles here, Boss.
Johnny Football is getting all this attention because he is the only freshman to win the Heisman Trophy and he got in trouble for selling autographs and subsequently miming signing to an opposing player. However, I have not see him throw his team under the bus nor suggest he is the team and he is carrying the rest of them.
CHhe Twitter account of Texas A&M Aggies sophomore quarterback Johnny Manziel has made news before. Early Sunday morning, a deleted tweet caused a bit of a stir.
According to a Dallas Morning News report, Manziel tweeted, "Bulls--- like tonight is a reason why I can't wait to leave college station...whenever it may be.
While we don't know why Johnny Football decided to tweet his frustrations to his 360,000-plus followers, maybe it's time for Manziel to lay low until August rolls around, Edward Aschoff writes.
The post was deleted shortly thereafter but was followed up by what appeared to be a related tweet. It read, "Don't ever forget that I love A&M with all of my heart, but please please walk a day in my shoes."
Oh, for fuck's sake, Grammy, have you even watched the guy play live on television? I have, and after a couple of dozen hours of live, unmanipulated TV video watching, it's clear he's much shorter than he claims.Grammatron wrote:Seriously? You want to use video and photographs of unknown perspective and manipulation as evidence? Disappointing.Cool Hand wrote: Evidence on his height? Watch any televised game and compare him to other players on the field. Also, look at Manziel's head in relation to Nick Saban's head while they are standing next to each other in the pic in the first post. Saban is 5'9" and 170 lbs. There is no fucking way Manziel is taller than him by more than an inch, if that. Manziel is too small to play QB the NFL. Is that being petty about his character? Hell no. It has nothing to do with it. It does have everything to do with his prospects as a QB in the NFL, however, which is the context in which I brought it up. I didn't do it to be petty; I did it because it is relevant to whether he has a future in the NFL. Obviously he recognized its relevance too, or he wouldn't be lying about his height. He claims to be 6 feet tall. Again, look at the photo with 5'9" Saban and tell me with a straight face that Manziel is 3 inches taller than him.
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The only way to show his height is go up to him with a ruler. Everything else is speculation.Cool Hand wrote:Oh, for fuck's sake, Grammy, have you even watched the guy play live on television? I have, and after a couple of dozen hours of live, unmanipulated TV video watching, it's clear he's much shorter than he claims.Grammatron wrote:Seriously? You want to use video and photographs of unknown perspective and manipulation as evidence? Disappointing.Cool Hand wrote: Evidence on his height? Watch any televised game and compare him to other players on the field. Also, look at Manziel's head in relation to Nick Saban's head while they are standing next to each other in the pic in the first post. Saban is 5'9" and 170 lbs. There is no fucking way Manziel is taller than him by more than an inch, if that. Manziel is too small to play QB the NFL. Is that being petty about his character? Hell no. It has nothing to do with it. It does have everything to do with his prospects as a QB in the NFL, however, which is the context in which I brought it up. I didn't do it to be petty; I did it because it is relevant to whether he has a future in the NFL. Obviously he recognized its relevance too, or he wouldn't be lying about his height. He claims to be 6 feet tall. Again, look at the photo with 5'9" Saban and tell me with a straight face that Manziel is 3 inches taller than him.
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