Clay vs Liston

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Clay vs Liston

Post by Rob Lister » Tue Feb 25, 2014 1:21 pm

FBI suspected iconic 1964 Ali-Liston fight was rigged by mob
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... ed-by-mob/

This is not news to any boxing fan, but the article is worth the read.

Liston just quit before the 7th. Claimed a shoulder injury. It was bullshit.

While Liston was dominating in the very early rounds, by round 6 he couldn't keep Ali's glove off his face. Probably 20 good hits by Ali in round 6 alone. None serious, but all hard. When you get hit in the same eye that many times with hard jabs, it's hard not to say 'what the fuck!', and then, 'fuck this.'

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Pick up a 22:00 for the middle of the fifth when it starts to get obvious that Liston is way outclassed.

I think Liston would have lost fix or no fix, in the end. But who can say. In the rounds prior, Liston was focusing on hard body shots; damaging to Ali to be sure, but there's no chance to accidentally knock out the guy you're supposed to lose to.

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Re: Clay vs Liston

Post by whitefork » Tue Feb 25, 2014 3:23 pm

It's a good story but most of the people who could substantiate it seem to be dead.
Are there any money sports that organized (or otherwise) crime have not been able to corrupt? The logical conclusion appears to be "don't bet".
If it's good enough for Nelson, it's quite good enough for me.

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Re: Clay vs Liston

Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Feb 25, 2014 3:28 pm

In the first round Liston seems to be aiming for the head but not having much success connecting. Clay is too fast at dodging. That might be why he decided to go for the body.
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Re: Clay vs Liston

Post by Rob Lister » Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:50 am

whitefork wrote:It's a good story but most of the people who could substantiate it seem to be dead.
Are there any money sports that organized (or otherwise) crime have not been able to corrupt? The logical conclusion appears to be "don't bet".
Unless everyone but you is in on the fix, there's no reason not to bet. But if possible, take the mob's likely preferences into consideration. 8) So always bet on the underdog. Which makes him the favorite. So bet on the other guy. :|

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Re: Clay vs Liston

Post by gnome » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:08 pm

But they would have known that, in fact, they would have counted on it, so you can clearly not choose the boxer in front of you!
"If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight! Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little bit more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it, and then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor. Then, he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on earth, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one. And from that day forward any time a bunch of animals are together in one place it's called a zoo! (Beat) Unless it's a farm!"
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